Imagine an echo chamber forum full of complaints and whiny players who lash out against something they don’t wanna hear.
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The armor nerf was making tanks unplayable, reverted
The lucio nerf made bust heroes and bunker effectively the best strats, reverted
The Mei and Reaper buffs were to counter a comp no longer possible, we’re still feeling the effects of as we speak. Multiple DPS heroes likely over buffed to keep up and having no real effect
If they interacted with the community regularly the reaction wouldn’t big so big. If we get one ‘‘detailed’’ post after months without anything you should expect the community to analize every single word they say 5 times.
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There’s nothing to analyze here though. The whole community is in agreement about power creep being an issue, they keep pretending its not. Then have the nerve to throw stats WITHOUT CONTEXT at us as if that means anything. After today the sentiment seems to be ‘just give up’.
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They used to interact pretty regularly.
Why do you believe they stopped?
People have always overreacted whenever something they personally disagree with is said. Folks have even contacted Blizz HQ and requested certain people be fired.
This community doesn’t deserve consistent dev updates, because this is how we’ve always treated them.
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They interact with Reddit far more than they do on the forum, which is understandable considering how much everyone wants to prove them wrong and pretend they would be able to balance the game… without bias.
I think what a lot of people miss is that you can disagree without being an explative about it. If you disagree with the devs, do it without causing them to rethink ever posting here again. Good criticism is constructive not destructive.
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First off: No. The “community” is, and never will be, in agreement over anything. Secondly, the “community” is horribly biased, immature, and most people i nit don’t know the firs thing about balance or game design.
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It’s just how the internet culture is now, it’s all about making hot takes and calling people out for having bad ones.
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Please, it’s valid reaction cause they basically don’t agree that power creep exists in the game when it does. Also, they said in not so many words, if you’re not GM level they don’t care…cause thats where the game is balanced around. The very measly 1% of this player base.
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Well today you are wrong. Look anywhere OW related, the consensus is the same. This dev take on the situation comes off as someone not playing their own game.
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“You’re wrong and this is why you shouldn’t trust everything you read”
“But I read this so I’m right”
/facepalm
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I don’t think most of the reactions I’ve seen are really healthy reactions. They are mostly just baby rage. There’s appropriate ways to express yourself and then there are ways that don’t encourage any conversation. The devs might be more open minded to community ideas if the posts were framed in a way that took the time to debate the idea instead of just chastise it.
Do I think the devs are wrong about power creep? Yes, I do. And Jeff said something similar during Blizzcon; I disagreed with it then too. I also think that a lot of the community over uses the term too. There is power creep and the devs fail to acknowledge it, but people claim specific things are power crept all the time when they actually aren’t.
And the devs aren’t wrong to balance the game primarily from a GM/Masters perspective. They are wrong if they don’t take into account how that affects Silver, Gold, and Plat too. But many many people think that top-down balancing is preferable in competitive games. It’s not a weird fringe idea.
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No. No it isn’t. Just a cursory search shows that some people disagree that power creep is the problem. Heck, that is exactly what I’m doing.
And you’re completely ignored my point, which is: y’all don’t know squat. Could you, right now, without looking it up, give me a proper definition of power creep, how it applies to OW, and what caused it?
You probably couldn’t, and neither could most of the people in the “community”. You’re all parroting buzzwords used by content creators and “pro” players.
Here’s an example then. The current version of soldier 76 compared to the original version is all around better, yet compared to the rest of the damage roster is middle-bottom in terms of getting value out of him. Other heroes simply do more damage and confirm more kills than him without the effort he requires right now.
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I think that this is partially true. When they used to interact more regularly, more people would come to the devs defense when people showed their nasty side. And I think the community vision was a little closer to the devs vision because they were constantly telling us about their vision.
But they stopped communicating frequently, and I think it was because there has always been an element on the forums that just wants to be divisive and criticize everything. And some people have been very biting in their word choices which would discourage anyone from communicating on here regularly if it meant having to be subjected to that all the time.
Criticism holds people to a higher standard so they don’t become complacent. Sure some of the nastiness we could do without but look past that and see what people are saying after today. People legitimately feel hopeless over the future of this game because of the tone deafness.
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In all honesty, players do this ALL THE TIME when blindly pulling GM pickrates and win rares from overbuff and drawing conclusions based upon those numbers. Look at the week where bastion was never picked. Speculation with very little context was everywhere.
So that mean’s its ok when a professional does it? The people that do this are handedly disproved whenever they do and rightly so.
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