while it might fly over your head, if d.va was a trans woman she’s still a woman and therefore any relationship with a male would be ‘straight.’
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No, it doesn’t “fly over my head,:” even if you’re condescending about it.
He wasn’t being a bigot, he was just fantasizing about a girl. You cannot ask a girl out if she doesn’t like you like that. It’s not about bigotry, it’s about that. Fantasy characters are made attractive for that reason.
So, I happen to like Mercy, and I hope she’s kept straight for that reason. I don’t hate LGBT, if she were a real woman I could ask her out if she was straight, but she’d say no for sure if she wasn’t. It’s literally nothing more than that.
From all what I can gather with that’s happening in our modern time in United States. A civil war will start, but with more distractions than just one from the old days. That’s why I said we’re not falling backwards. Things are being confronted right now due how mix this country is or soon to be.
As they say there will be sacrifices until we can get to the next stage. If anything just survive and live your life, but be ready for anything.
Yeaaaah true - I did say I’m not one for conspiracies 
But as far as conspiracy theories go, they’re nothing if not fun to entertain - problem is people believe it too - I’ve had to educate my family and friends on misinformation a fair bit over this year. Too much dissonance in media that it’s hard to tell what’s actually true anymore and whats been changed to deliver it the way they want you to hear it. And that causes them to be ineffective -.- Wonder why we grant journalistic protections to people as bad at holding up journalistic ethics of minimize harm and instead maximize it, there should honestly be a law against hacktivist writers in media for the fact that while they’re there, nothing can be taken without a grain of salt. >:C
I was just making fun entertaining it though, I don’t believe for a second we are in a conspiracy that infected the entire globe and caused massive economic damage, as the only ones with enough money to move that kind of plan REALLY HOPE THEIR WORKERS DON’T STOP MAKING THEM MONEY. We can be very sure they’re in it for cash, so I don’t see why they would hurt that unless small businesses were threatening their bottom line - and that just seems absurdly out the gate so I’m not about to believe my own “POSSIBLE” short story lol xD
It’s always possible when you cannot quantify it. That’s how they get the conspiracy going in peoples heads, flat earth, all the way to 5G coronavirus towers gunna give nan the COOF!
All fun c:
the two aren’t mutually exclusive. You can fantasize about a fictional character and hold beliefs about marginalized people that suck. Believing that a trans woman is somehow not a woman and therefore being attracted to them makes you gay is rooted in transphobia. I’m not of the opinion that having ***** beliefs means you should be thrown away, but you should also be told hey, you’re telling other humans that their existence is less than yours.
I also happen to like mercy, and as a lesbian I also like to fantasize about her. It doesn’t interfere with my ability to like a character if they’re portrayed in a homosexual relationship or a heterosexual nature. And what about the B in LGBTQ, she might be bisexual, liking men and women, then everyone wins.
At the end of the day, video games aren’t meant for just cisgender heterosexual men, right? So expecting only those desires to be catered to is, in many ways, reflective of some kind of othering of LGBTQ identites and cishet women.
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HE was talking about D.Va. And like I said, he was probably drunk.
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I am talking about Mercy. If she was lesbian I would not discriminate against her, I simply would be disappointed because my favorite fantasy girl doesn’t like guys anymore. When Soldier76 was declared LGBT, the favorite ship for 76 and Mercy ended because a lot of people regarded them as Mom and Dad. Nothing bigoted about that disappointment, it was just cute pictures on the internet.
Liking a person is not bigotry, that’s the laws of attraction. At the point where you’re calling people bigots as regards to what they feel romantically, you are being so intrusive in people’s lives that it’s ridiculous.
Games are not meant for just cisgender heterosexual men, true, but there’s no law that they can’t be for them as well. You can fantasize about whoever you want, how you want, but it is RIDICULOUS for you to accuse people of bigotry based on their emotions towards a fictitious character. That is precisely what I am talking about: many people on this forum reflexively pivot to “you’re a bigot” to the point where the vast majority of people who play Overwatch don’t come here anymore.
Another thing I hate is woke washing.
I don’t trust companies to be the purveyors of “Equality” and neither will others, this is a move that gets met with contempt against the communities.
Blizzard likes china alot.
Do you think they’re worried about things we take on principle? I don’t. And that’s why if they were to do it, I’d just be annoyed, even though like woo yeah representation - just take a few letters out of that word and you are left with Resent. Is it worth having an ally in a company driven by greed use you as a marketing tool while they ruffle their tailfeathers trying to garner your support based on something they don’t actually care about.
It’s not worth them getting PR if it’s costing you down the line for the fact your affiliation with them was always looked at critically from the beginning.
Not talking about me, but it’s a trend in general, and that’s a common sentiment to companies wokewashing, you shouldn’t be fine with being their PR.
----- I won’t hate you if they do or don’t at all, but I know people draw equivalence all the time, and it just depends when they were drawing their lines to who is in what box.
Tbh my comment to the other guy was more in jest than anything.
As for what you said… I’m Australian, a bit left of centre and a uni student. I find it fascinating watching your country, though Australia is also not exactly free of stupidity. I don’t think politicians should be able to disagree with the established dogma in any particular field nor cherry pick there own personal researcher.
Not to say that anything is fully understood and set in stone, but when most people in a field agree to a concept of something but with subtle variations on interpretation, perhaps we don’t need forty commissions into the same thing or to hear the thoughts and feelings of a celebrity.
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point 1 doesn’t really concern me too much. My mom can be lowkey homophobic to me when she’s drunk, as alcohol can loosen the lips, if you will.
‘When soldier 76 was declared LGBT.’ Really? He was named lesbian, gay bisexual and trans all at once?’ Busy man. Or did you mean that he was revealed as gay and having an interest in men? Furthermore, the ‘favorite’ ship for Soldier 76 has always been… well, it seems like Reaper76, according to fandom metrics.
There comes a time where “preference” becomes an interesting cover for bigoted beliefs. If you try to tell me preference for a certain race or a refusal to date a certain race has absolutely no roots in racism or colorism, for example, I’m going to be skeptical. Furthermore, in many cases the simple act of saying that trans women are women isn’t really intrusive, however I can think of how many times trans friends had their genitals interrogated by absolute strangers.
If your instinct upon being told your beliefs might be rooted in some kind of bigotry is to get defensive, you’re going to often miss legitimate concerns people have with what it is your saying, and so I find that having constructive conversations is a lot more conducive. On the other hand, having to be civil when some people have been so blatant on these exact forums to say things like “I wouldn’t allow a gay person in my house,” is also extremely tiring. The balancing of being compassionate and understanding while also having your existence threatened, mocked and degrading is a delicate one. the vast majority of gay people don’t go on OW to experience that, but they do, regardless, and oftentimes without care for their experiences either.
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Oh, so I am a bigot now. That’s adorable. How did I not see that one coming?
I never said I wouldn’t allow a gay person in my house. I never even hinted at that. That’s you putting words in my mouth. My “preference” for women is not a cover for anything, it’s the way I feel and I don’t oppress anybody by it or have to justify it to anybody.
Calling Soldier76 as “declared as LGBT” to most people just means he was placed in the LGBT category, and since you are trying very hard to declare me as a bigot you’ve tried extra hard to twist my words in that matter too.
I have no problem with LGBT of any type. You can like anybody romantically, you can get married as LGBT as of Obergefell v Hodges in 2015. A gay friend I knew from college got married as soon as that landmark case passed, and frankly I like him a lot more than I like you, not because you’re both part of LGBT but because he’s my friend and you’re trying to tar me as a bigot for BS reasons, which is the precise reason half the planet cannot stand this place.
Believe what you want. I am done with you.
F - I like fair skinned girls, like pale pale - is that bad?
Preferences in what we like to do OURSELVES especially when it comes to a matter of intercourse is too sacred and to deny us the PRIVILEDGE we should ALL have since I don’t like men and I haven’t met a trans person I liked the look and personality of and I just am not attracted to people with very dark skin.
Not allowing us the right to have a preference without being a bigot, that’s a fancy dance around to say if you don’t let us unwantedly forcing themselves upon you that you are a bigot against them. That’s pretty rapey.
I really don’t like how you view that personally.
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When did I label you a bigot? I very carefully worded my response so that it wasn’t directed at you, and it included no words to label individuals in any regard, attacking the belief and not the person.
I didn’t accuse you of saying that, I’m saying someone on these forums have said that to me before. You’re defending yourself against something I didn’t accuse you of, hence my point of missing what I’m actually saying to you.
I more meant if a white woman said she wouldn’t date black men or asian men, than you’d be hard pressed to convince me her preference wasn’t rooted to some degree in racism, is my point with that. I’m not talking about you, specifically, or your preferences. Likewise, you’re fighting an uphill battle convincing me that a ‘preference’ for cisgender heterosexual women is not rooted at all in homophobia or transphobia.
As for that, I was more joking at your refusal to use specific labels, instead lumping the whole group of diverse identities together.
And…really? Bringing up a gay friend as though you liking him better than me is supposed to wound me in some way? How is it any different than me saying “Oh, I have a straight friend and I like him a lot more than you, because he’s not taking broad statements I’m making about beliefs as personal attacks and is a sick af ally who listens to critiques about the language he uses and takes it to heart.”
I don’t believe anything about you except that you’re a very defensive person. Other than my initial, yeah, condescending remark, I didn’t make any personal attacks.
Well, my point would be like, what exactly about pale girls is so alluring? What makes them better than darker skinned counterparts? That’s really all the point is. I’m not claiming people with a preference are bigots, just that the preference itself might have suspicious origins in a world where whiteness specifically is seen as good, and darker skinned individuals are seen as bad, and ‘lesser.’
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Well, that’s very personal but I’ll word it family friendly, I like the contrast of how shadow looks on their skin in all their curves and bumps. It’s actually mainly all about contrast when I think about it, it’s just the way it looks, nothing physically different exactly, but one is significantly more attractive to me, like some people really like green like me - but find browny orange like… no? If that makes sense.
I just didn’t like how it came across it made me feel bad for not saying yes which instantly ticked over as “HMMM IS THIS RIGHT?”.
I think it would be more safe to note it is fine to have preferences, BUT some peoples preferences are rooted in their bigoted predispositions toward the others.
Same thing but worded safely an not at all up to interpretation
To be fair, I did in fact word it extremely carefully, and very carefully didn’t say anything that could have been read as “OH you’re TOTES A BIGOT IF YOU WOULDNT DATE X” rather, ‘preference’ can be a way to hide bigoted thoughts about others, even unintentional forms of it, is all. However, the guy who was talking to me took it quite personally, even though, again, I didn’t label an individual as a bigot, or a homophobe, rather, specifically talking about the underlying views which are part of a wider spectrum of those problems.
And having to say things nicely all the time or risk being taken completely the wrong way is very tiring, especially when, even if you do, people are liable to get defensive about it anyways.
Mm still though, you were trying to reach across the aisle to someone who need to hear what you say more than I do. When you engage them, it’s especially easy to lose them compared to get them understanding you.
I saw how you tried to word it so that is wasn’t AT him - but it could be interpreted the other way through and he took EXACTLY that path because it was open.
If it gets worded well every time (and I’ve been talking to people across the aisles for AGES now and I’ve had wording troubles have them throw up every wall and then some so I learned to carefully word things >.<) then you can get through to them, and bridging that gap is pretty much the only way forward outta the crap we are in.
I know it’s tiresome to do it that way, but if it was worth doing in the first place, then it is worth doing right as often as you can.
Well, they could, but then they would actually have to be here to monitor threads.
Did you just break your rule?
I decided to Google it. The evidence isn’t as one-sided as you seem to think… So yeah, I won’t be giving into the fearmongering.
First, let’s take a look at that meta-analysis.
No randomised controlled trials. Hm… Already on shaky grounds.
Interesting wording there. Could result in… low certainty.
There you go. The paper even agrees that better evidence is needed.
Now let’s take a look at one of the results I found from a Google search:
Linked studies therein:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1750-2659.2011.00307.x
https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/jebm.12381
These contain extensive scientific literature that establishes that wearing surgical masks and respirators (e.g., “N95”) does not reduce the risk of contracting a verified illness.
Findings:
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N95-masked health-care workers (HCW) were significantly more likely to experience headaches. Face mask use in HCW was not demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.
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None of the studies reviewed showed a benefit from wearing a mask, in either HCW or community members in households (H). See summary Tables 1 and 2 therein.
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“There were 17 eligible studies. … None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”
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“We identified six clinical studies … . In the meta-analysis of the clinical studies, we found no significant difference between N95 respirators and surgical masks in associated risk of (a) laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, (b) influenza-like illness, or (c) reported work-place absenteeism.”
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“Self-reported assessment of clinical outcomes was prone to bias. Evidence of a protective effect of masks or respirators against verified respiratory infection (VRI) was not statistically significant”; as per Fig. 2c therein:
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“Among 2862 randomized participants, 2371 completed the study and accounted for 5180 HCW-seasons. … Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”
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“A total of six RCTs involving 9,171 participants were included. There were no statistically significant differences in preventing laboratory-confirmed influenza, laboratory-confirmed respiratory viral infections, laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, and influenza-like illness using N95 respirators and surgical masks. Meta-analysis indicated a protective effect of N95 respirators against laboratory-confirmed bacterial colonization (RR = 0.58, 95% CI 0.43-0.78). The use of N95 respirators compared with surgical masks is not associated with a lower risk of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”
Now, with that out of the way let’s look at evidence that masks are actively harmful:
Furthermore, the evidence you talk about is very lacking as far as empirical evidence.
The article concludes:
Also worth a read:
- by John Hardie, BDS, MSc, PhD, FRCDC
As I said before, not all scientists agree. The evidence is very much disputable with some evidence even suggesting that they’re harmful, as I suspected.
I just want the title first world country to mean something in America. We are the least developed first world country when it comes to what we have.
Would love to not be a joke in terms of politics either to other countries.