My math was WAY OFF!
Well aside from Defense matrix not being on a meter (it was a cooldown back then) making a huge difference, the entire game was different back then too, including no limits & overall balance. 15m is massive for a damage deletion tool that recharges. She could effectively delete everything within a 30m area around her with a swipe of her mouse.
I mean, I guess itâs a big deal for people who canât be bothered to look out for D.Va using her Defense Matrix and exploit her lengthy downtime windows every time she uses it. Just like the people who canât be bothered to NOT shoot a bubbled Zarya or her bubbled teammates in order to defeat her more easily. Same with shooting a deflecting Genji.
That was a long, long time ago, and I played back then too. Defense Matrix as an ability didnât last long in the live game, but I remember the RMB âfuel gaugeâ design she has now did exist before the 1-hero limit was implemented.
For reference, from this thread
And the single-hero limit didnât come until later, as this Reddit post from November 4, 2016 discussed:
Single-Hero-Limit will come to Quick Play!Donât panic! There is a game mode in Arcade which is called âNo Limitsâ!
As for your other comment about 15 m DM:
In practical play, any decent D.Va will be very rarely swinging her DM around madly in circles or very wide arcs. Her DM is forward projecting, yes, but it is almost never covering a circle with a 30 m diameter. A D.Va that does this is not being focused on what is going on around her while also wasting precious DM uptimeâwhich again, also creates an exploitable downtime windowâand all of which makes her and her team vulnerable to counterattacks and ultimates for doing so.
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i think her critbox is what makes an armour buff specifically something that would smooth over the interaction with beams. the zarya trying to melt you isnât quite as âyou canât even stand with your team at any timeâ, but the cass still has a chance with the critbox to make that not too one-sided an interaction either. itâs the reason she originally was 66% or so armour, her large critbox compensated for it. triple tank season 3 is what made them remove it, and we are now in solotank. she needs to hold two positions at all times, and for that she needs some more armour so sheâs not so quick to melt and forced to hide and run instead of helping her team and/or diving a target. also so sheâs not so hardcountered, as that should be a thing they remove across all tanks.
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My bad, I should have said itâs not remotely as common as a D.Va absorbing ults, because its not. I kind of figured that was implied, considering the absurdly small range of Kinetic Grasp compared to Defense Matrix. It has nothing to do with âsounding smartâ and everything to do with realizing the odds of Sigma absorbing an ult VS a D.Va absorbing an ult, due to their respective ranges.
Sure? I donât really care what your rank isâŠ(mostly because I donât believe you at all) it doesnât really give you any authority on the subject.
but yea, be mad I guess? Maybe respond to the replies I directed at you next time instead of the ones I directed at the other dude? Or do you not have any arguments against those points?
Adding more absorb wouldnât solve this issue as well as giving her a larger health pool by adding more armor/health.
Why would it eat Ramattraâs punches? Theyâre melee and require him to be in melee range⊠DM doesnât eat any other melee abilities.
The majority of issues you addressed could be solved with more armor/health, but I do agree about âoff tanksâ, and think they should all be deleted from the game until theyâre redesigned.
Buff D.Vaâs skins. She needs more cute and sexy outfits!
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Yeahâhow about no.
How about you imagine having your favorite hero(es) deleted from the game, and be forced to wait for some uncertain future for when they returnâif everâjust because a vocal minority doesnât like playing against them or having them on their team.
Reworks are polarizing enough to the community as is. No hero ever deserves to be deleted from the game, especially not to await an unannounced rework that may not come for months, if not years. Everyone has their favorite heroes and play styles, some of whom have been enjoying these heroes for years because of how fun they are to playâand in many cases, unique to gaming in this genre. To deny people of their mains for an indeterminant time just because you donât like a particular hero or how they play speaks volumes about yourself and your lack of empathy towards others, which only hurts your credibility at being taken seriously in these kinds of discussions.
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I have 2 off-tanks that are my favorite heroes⊠lmao. The game doesnât support them in their current state and theyâre just not as viable. Unlike you, I donât let my emotions dictate logical decisions.
thats why i specifically said âuntil theyâre redesignedâ⊠itâs pretty key to the statement.
sigma was disabled in comp because of his glitch of perma flying.
Again, sigma was disabled in comp because of his glitch. Bastion was when OW2 launched and his perma-ult was discovered⊠for a few weeks I believe⊠multiple heroes have been disabled over the course of Overwatchâs history, just because you donât like it, doesnât mean itâs not a viable option until theyâre reworked. Maybe the dev team should make it a priority so people whoâll whine wonât have to deal with much downtime? big.picture.
No, it just speaks to the fact that I have the ability for critical thought while you donât. Disabling off-tanks that serve almost no purpose in a game where 1 tank exists is a solid idea and it would fix MANY issues. Youâre just mad because you like D.Va, so you resorted to ad hominem attacks instead of sticking on the subject. I truly do not care if you take me seriously, thatâs a YOU problem, maybe look at the big picture instead of âboohoooooooo D.Va is my maiiiiiiiiiiin, wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 
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You continue to be the most based Dva player on the forums 
All you need to do is put my name in overbuff. Iâd argue that combined with the fact Iâve constantly been playing Dva since launch gives some credibility.
Oof take. Big oof
No one will ever take you seriously on the forums talking like that. Dig yourself a bigger hole though I guess lol
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Letâs not act like itâs a cut and dry melee ability. It has like 12 meters of range and appears on the screen as some ephemeral fist launching out of his physical ones. It looks like a projectile. Apparently itâs even amped by Baptisteâs ult. Itâs so unusual an attack you could easily justify it one way or another in the name of balanceâbecause why does a âmelee attackâ go through multiple people? Is his fist literally spearing my guts and also going through the guy behind me?
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How? Whatâs the difference between your teammate dying after widow shoots once or after she shoots twice?
you know what else is too much? 2X heals for using a damage ability.
âIf my main isnât the best then it needs to be buffedâ
Thatâs basically how it goes on these forums.
So your brilliant idea is to remove her counters.
All thatâs left is to give baby Dva 200hp and full fledged abilities.
What would you buff first then?
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because defense matrix is one of the strongest abilities in the game.
the only reason dva isnt meta right now is because its single tank, shes an off tank in design.
theyâd have to fully rework DM to work more like a shield (so it has a limited amount of dmg it can absorb) before they could âbuffâ dm without making her completely broken.
your being sarcastic and all that but DM really is one of the strongest abilities in the game.
it was a key part of ow1 season 3 tank meta, dive meta (season 4~ til season 9) and goats (sometime in 2018 til sometime in 2019). because being able to eat unlimited dmg for any amount of time, particularly when it projects outward, is way better then any barrier and even sigmaâs grasp (because you can dm your team mates).
thats why anyone with half a brain laughs when a dva players says to buff DM.
if any hero asked for buffs to what was the best part of their kit, the world would collectively laugh at them.
imagine asking for 50% discord orb back
i cant speak for them
there is no âgoodâ choice here imo. but id probably buff her dmg but then add an ammo counter. so sheâd be better at assassinating people but she wouldnt be able to just left click and deal dmg.
so youâd tighten up her guns cone, add ammo and a reload (including new animations).
that being said realistically dva in her current state is too hard to buff to make hard meta. she is meta in that she counters winton so she still gets played alot regardless
but theyâd first have to solve the paper rock sissors problem tanks have before they could buff ANY aspect of dva.
any buffs to her defense (such as more armor or a better DM) bring us back to the oppressive era where she was near unkillable (but with more healing, more defensive cds from supports and lower burst dmg: aka cant one shot tanks anymore) which only a dva player would want.
everyone else would be miserable, it would be similar too zarya during season 1 ow2 but worse.
Disagree.
Her current DM is strong, at most it would need like an extra second of active time.