the problem is dive lacks the damage needed to actually work against comps with brigetta in it
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I find winston useful for killing brig quickly tbh… Just poke down the armor by repetedly punching her then zap her to death
she cant block him
Pharah, Winston, Tracer make Sym an F tier
yea its balanced
Brigitta literally works in ANY comp. add her to that dive and win with her diving ultra ult.
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Yeah, but its totally different somehow…
Wait a few years. People need to learn how to stay away from her.
The problem isn’t that Brig counters Winston. The problem is she’s so powerful right now that nobody counters her. So the concept of switching heroes to counter is thrown out the window, and instead the meta is forced to build around Brig.
That means teams play Rein to get Brig in range, and Zarya + Hanzo because it’s the only combo that can counter her armor ult. Then you get some Widow for her long range burst damage or Junk for his mindless spam damage.
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In every world, seeing as how Brigitte is made specifically to counter dive heroes.
Rally requires teammates to legitimately rally towards her on account of the short radius, plus, we don’t really have many things in the game that utilize armor. Her healing via Inspire is also terrible. The requirement to smack people around is massively restrictive, and even then, the healing she does is so slow and ineffective in team fights.
It was as low as it was because she needed to make sure she’d hit Tracer or Genji. If it was any longer, Brigitte’d be way too vulnerable against Tracer and other enemies.
Even then, enough people cried about it to the point where the cooldown for Shield Bash is being extended to 6 seconds, even though it isn’t necessary. Rally’s armor buff is also getting nerfed to 100 total armor, and for the same reason as Shield Bash; criers.
She’s a support-tank hybrid, the higher than average HP is necessary to keep her from being killed too easily.
You would be averaging 10-15 damage/second or something awful if you did that. She has a self-heal so this isn’t really an option.
Symm is getting a rework though.
Junkrat can still kill Pharah. Jump with a mine, then nade and mine. Also Junkrat can still be played if the enemy has a Pharah and still do tremendous work. Even Reaper can still be played if the enemy has a Pharah as he can just work on the heroes on the ground.
Winston can’t do anything if the enemy has a Brigitte if the enemy is playing as a deathball.
You sure it’s not because she has a 57% winrate and these were the parts of her kit deemed the most overpowered?
Realistically she has 325-350+ health, due to her self heal.
It’s kinda like how you think you can kill Roadhog because he has 600 health, but then realistically you have to deal much more damage than that because of his self heal and damage resistance.
it wouldnt get any different except solo ult a Pharah just to save your live and then get killed by something else
Winston really did make Ana F tier and Blizz didn’t care.
Bridgette hasn’t done nearly as much to Winston as what Winston did to Ana.
If you are getting stunned every 5 seconds (not 4 and soon to be 6), then you are doing something wrong (or fighting multiple CC heroes).
It hasn’t shifted. It has always been wait till we get data from Competitive from the very beginning. It was simply reiterated at each of those stages you mentioned, because people who were whining were making those extra “goal posts”.
Fissure would destroy you with Winston.
Baguette doesn’t counter Winston’s kit at all. His shield is separate from him so stuns don’t impact his ability to tank, all of his attacks go through shields, he can escape to high ground any time he wants, and his ult can’t be canceled with cc since it is a transformation ult.
She counters full dive as a strategy on nondive map segments not Winston. Dive is still strong on high ground dominant map sections as well you just run it with Pharah and Widow/Hanzo now not Gengu and Tracer.
His playstyle changes outside of those dive comps but he is still viable.
It is a problem unless every hero has such hard counter to himself/herself.
Many heroes in this game don’t have a hard counter that just force you to switch. Pharah/Junkrat don’t force Brigitte to switch like Brigitte forces Winston or Genji or Reaper. Genji doesn’t force Widow/Hanzo to switch. Reaper certainly doesn’t force any tank to switch.
You get a semi decent comp, throw in Brigitte and you counter Winston and dive.
Using a semi-decent comp, which hero can you just throw in and counter Brigitte-based deathball that she will switch off on the next respawn? Nothing.
Let’s not talk about how this game is “about switching” when that rule isn’t universal. It isn’t even applicable to most heroes, nor should it.
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I love it!
Winston is no annoying.
I agree, she needs at least 300 HP and her shield should have at least 50 more.
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What other target could Winston go for? The 400 HP Zen? (200 + 100 Armor x 2
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But that’s because no one is better than Fissure. 
Winston didn’t make Ana F tier. Blizzard made Ana F tier by over nerfing her. She still has an incredibly low winrate and no one even plays Winston anymore.
This is how counters work. Give one hero an advantage against another from a fundamental standpoint. Without counters a hero takes over the meta. Like how Tracer dominates the high tiers because she lacks counter play.
The same can be said for Brigitte. Without her team behind her she’s nothing. Even when grouped up focus fire, range and team play wreck her. A good Pharah+Mercy can ignore a team running double hitscan with D.Va.
She has the armor generation to slow down DPS. For many seasons rampant DPS could go off and kill anything they came across without much issue. With only pocket healing slowing them down. This is why triple DPS comps were viable.
Her AoE healing is very weak and requires her to deal close range damage to activate. This also answers your question on why she has 250 health.
Without a low CD on the shield bash she can’t do anything. Without the ability to stun frequently her shield would be pointless at only 600 health, and when you consider how close range she needs to be in order to be effective you see why.
Kind of like how Brigitte has taken over the meta due to unreliable counters? If Pharah was actually a good counter, then Brigitte would be forced to swap if the enemy had a Pharah… but that’s not really the case.
So sure, Brigitte can counter Winston, but she also needs to have reliable counters herself.
Also… again… 57% winrate. You can talk about how she is theoretically balanced and explain how parts of her kit make her weak and easy to exploit… but you cannot keep being blind to reality. Realistically she is completely overpowered and if you do not play her, you are at an overwhelming disadvantage. The stats back up this argument.
I’ve been in games against teams running Brigitte without running her ourselves and still won without issue. A good Pharah (or any DPS) should be able to pressure her into switching or at the very least heavily limit her impact. She’s not invincible.
Pharah is just the most obvious counter but any ranged DPS wrecks her. Even close range specialist heroes like Reaper and Mei can 1v1 her with ease. Without a Rein blocking for her she’s a non issue. Kinda like Pharah+Mercy…
The majority of the player base in OW is really bad. It takes months to adapt to a new hero or even balance changes. By pushing back her comp release Blizzard just delayed the inevitable. Players don’t bother to learn or adapt to something until it hits them in the face.
A high winrate for a hero like Brigitte should be expected because she completely shifts the viability of a large group of heroes. The fact is she’s brought out a meta with more hero viability than any of the previous 5 seasons should indicate how stale the game was before her.
Her winrate will fall as players start learning to adapt to her. She’s also got nerfs on the way too so chill out and give it time.