I personally think that Brigitte is a huge success in countering the dive playstyle as her burst heal and her armor prevents teammates/herself from dying too quickly before the team can react, something which is crucial to the dive meta.
However, she has a lethal range, perhaps too lethal to a point where it is nearly impossible to win or even run away for most heroes in the hero pool. This is especially frustrating for a lot of players as they are overwhelmed by design, not via the player’s skill. While all other heroes have a defining weakness, hers is by far the least exploitable for the impact she provides to her team.
I believe her damage or self heal values can be tweaked a little to provide some counter play when she plays too aggressively while bringing some of the power into her external healing. It just doesn’t make sense that she has
more effective and reliable damage than most offence or damage tank hero when fighting your squishies (imagine reinhardt with smaller hit box and gap closers),
the ability to deal impressive sustained dps in mid fight while providing healing,
proc stuns that goes through shields,
ranged knockback to peel/damage,
one of the strongest defensive ult,
nearly impossible to kill unless overwhelmed and
anti burst with bonus armor
I believe that it has already come to a point where it’s not about players not adapting to her, but simply her doing too much as a single hero. While she is definitely not overbearing to a point where she is simply unkillable, the amount of resources it takes to bring her down is too costly. A tank that heals and peels for your team sounds cool. But a tank that heals and peels for your team + cc and kill your enemies doesn’t sound cool.
She is balanced. You can’t honestly compare her half tank hybrid role to a full tank. She has far less hp then any tank, she has a shield which was nerfed but many tanks have their own shields with bigger hp. Rein is btw your best option to go as tank counter against her, because he either instakills her or outdamaging her greatly with 4 swings.
Her heals are the lowest in game, being lower than Lucio. And she has to commit to a fight to be able to heal at all, unlike other healers.
Being impossible to kill is a vast overexaggeration. I see Tracers worth their skill kill Brigs, and she is supposedly countered by her. Not even mentioning Junk or Hanzo who can put her on pressure and destroy her shield quickly, after that she is not able to use almost half of her kit.
Her greatest defensive ult, as you say, does not help against gravdrag or nanoblade at all.
Looking at her numbers in GM, she has 11 heroes besting her winrate, with more winrate on Zen than her (more than 3%), with comparable pickrates. This is balanced.
its not balanced when you are playing reaper and ur about to kill tracer then she presses e and tracer is full hp and armored, she is not balanced because whenever i am about to kill her some 1 else heals her then she stuns and knocks me back getting killed by her teammates later. she is not balanced at all. she is not balanaced when she can stun u and 1 mw1 and right click 87 reaper hp score. she is not fun because whenever your close to her and armor is about to break a hanzo or a widow or something kills you. To everyone who thinks brig is balanced and telling me to learn how to play is because of the people who abuse her and thats why reason why she is so strong and not really nerfed right.,
That sorta depends on your definition of impressive? She has nearly the same DPS as Lucio (who also heals in an area around him, just like Brigitte) only Lucio’s:
heals aren’t contingent on him hitting enemies
primary fire can register head shots
primary fire is ranged
She probably has the lowest overall damage output of any support save for Mercy (simply because Mercy doesn’t generally deal damage. Her pistol actually does do more dps than Brigitte, she just rarely uses it)
I do think that her power should be shifted out of her damage and into her healing though.
Increase inspire healing my 20% and decrease primary fire swing speed by 30% and I think she’s perfect.
Then we should also cancel Reaper’s life steal and bring back souls because why should he be rewarded with HP while also dealing a good chunk of damage?
because he has to get close and he has to watch over all cc abilities reaper is a paper tiger on the other hand brigitte is a tank helicopter and can only do well close range you have a stun and a knock back for that and also a shield did i mention other 4 CC around you too?
Hence my suggestion to divert her power from the damage to her heals. As a support, she is not fulfilling her role as a healer well and instead being oppressive to fight against especially in situations where you have to brawl in close quarters . Not to mention the currently most effective playstyle of “DPS brigitte” look at the stats of the brigittes with high win rate, do they look like they are healing? I’m not talking about tracer vs brigitte. I firmly agree with your point that a good tracer should win a brigitte but again, it still takes too much investment to kill. It is all the other factors in her kit that is letting her do too much.
She is every role 600 barrier check 200 hp check, stun check, Average dps check, Burst damage combo Good, CC, Burst and Heal Check, . now tell me how is that balanced?
Brigitte needs to hit things in order to have an aura that heals less than Lucio’s, has less dps than Moira and less CC than Ana (which is ranged). I guess the trade is more than appropriate.
Sneaking up to Brigitte instead of chasing Tracer is a better option for Reaper, usually if he gets the first shot he is the one winning the trade.
Jesus christ sometimes i feel like am talking to people who dont play this game, ok
Scenario
1: tracer is a flanker and always on our healers i have to deal with it, they are crying over her in VC
2, Going after brig after Tracer but her heal is too big of a range and instant gratification + armor when tracer is about to die.
Brigitte isn’t the problem with GOATS, as is gone over with some regularity on these forums and elsewhere. Tanks being able to deal meaningful damage is the problem with GOATS.
I believe the general consensus is that buffs to currently weak counter-brawlers, like Reaper, Mei, and Junkrat would fix many of the GOATS problems.
stacking three healer together and the general healing power creep has a lot to do with the success of goats
you can’t put the blame mostly on tanks when triple tank wasn’t viable on a majority of maps before the inclusion of brigitte, even if tanks are strong in this game (it’s silly how many forumers say otherwise)
the addition of brigitte dramatically mitigated the counterplay to tank compositions by making their traditional counters weak against them
either way, giving goats more healing is an awful idea
Brigitte doesn’t counter anti-tank heroes. She counters heroes that flank and were objectively too strong. Anti-tank heroes have always been weak, which is why you have this erroneous stance: You think tank counters were Tracer and Genji, when they were never meant to be that. They are anti-support flankers meant to clear out the back line, not melt a front line. Your up-front brawlers that are meant to counter tanks (again, Junkrat, Mei, Reaper, Bastion) have always been weak and so people like yourself don’t even think of them as tank counters because they’ve always been poor at doing their job.
regardless of the prevelance of GOATS however, any game designer would be remiss if they intentionally forewent balance changes to a specific hero in light of a temporary meta.
For Brigitte to be in a better place, she, as a support, needs more power loaded into her supportive abilities and not her offensive power. Just a smidge.
Solving GOATS is a different question and the answer lies outside balance changes to the supports (is, again, the general consensus).
I forgive your short sighted stance, but take this as a learning opportunity.
If anything, Brigitte contributes to GOATS via her damage and tankiness rather than her healing. We all know by now that her healing is not reliable at all. The main problem is really about how she is able to deny space and yet function like a DPS at the same time, all the while healing the team and cc’ing the enemies. If someone is hard to kill and the hero supporting him is also hard to kill, you end up with lots of resources and time spent on killing them. It is fine if you can at least ignore Brigitte while she is supporting her team. But no, she would be walking up to your backlines and you HAVE to do something about it.
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