tracer was always good against tanks up until the inclussion of brigitte where it became too risky to do so and she understandably got nerfed for it, but genji was never strong against tank compositions outside of his ultimate (which is only good atm with nano).
pharah and junkrat aren’t even considered goats counters anymore because the amount of healing is too strong that they generally end up feeding
even mei would’ve been decent against goats but brigitte’s stun makes her ability to freeze tanks way too much of a risk
brigitte’s support capabilities are strong already
6s ranged overheal with armor that counters the damage of several dpses is already strong, plus her cc can be used for many combos and her shield allows her to mitigate damage
reduced swing time would only nerf her fighting potential against tanks, which doesn’t meaningfully nerf it enough to justify buffing her support capabilities and she’d probably end up being buffed overall and enabling tank comps harder
her damage output is only needed to be where it is to counter only one of the dive heroes (tracer), and the rest of her kit is used to counter the other dive heroes
it’s mostly her healing and tankiness, but her damage output is just a secondary effect
her ability to countering dive doesn’t have to do with her damage output (outside of her tracer oneshot), but rather her healing and armor that severely mitigates dive damage and her tankiness that makes the enemy require spending resources to kill
her cc, shielding, aoe heals, and strong burst heals and armor enable the comp more than her damage output
Thread can be called “Forum Brigitte at her best”.
A hero repeatedly nerfed to the point of being more than balanced in her own role and even underpowered on any range fight situation, of which the game has many as well some forget all the time, is still not learned to be countered by picking her own counters by those not bothering to switch, or not wanting to be bothered to switch.
She is countered by Rein, Doom, Pharah not needing even one clip to destroy her shield, Junk, Hanzo, Sombra can hack her as well as Rein denying her half the kit, nade her and make her useless, kite her and outplay her, which is what real Tracers, not the Forum ones, been doing for ages now.
But she is so oppressing and so tanky, with her bad mobility, shortest range like Rein and her heals being the lowest in game. If anything, Lucio enables Goats far more than her. He has even more winrate than her, in GM.
Forum Brigitte at its finest, toned down by the devs but going only stronger through them. In fiction of some. Because the majority not biased by the countered thinks she is balanced.
One of the reasons novice Brigitte players do badly is due to their thinking that Brigitte is a pure tank/healer. We all know that she isn’t strong for her ability to duke it out with Tracer by now. As you said, her value comes from the repair pack and tankiness. And this is where i believe they should’ve drawn the line. Giving her enough damage to actually walk up to 200 hp heroes and kill them with relative ease isn’t that great.
If you want to list off abilities without going into their weaknesses, then what about Rein, who has:
2000 HP shield
500 Health
Instant-kill
Unblockable 75 dps within 5 meters
One of the fastest movement options in the game
A CC ult that can let him solo kill an entire team or set up team Ults
If we just list abilities in isolation, they look broken. But anybody who knows anything about Rein or Brigitte knows that each of those abilities comes at a cost or only works under specific conditions.
You’re parroting what I’m saying, but with a weaker understanding…
To reiterate:
Tracer worked as a tank counter because she was so strong she could excel in roles beyond what she was intended for.
Junkrat, Mei, and Pharah have been too weak to fill their intended roles.
You’re not wrong about the current state of things, you’re wrong about why that state is the way it is, and thus how to fix it.
Her healing is, objectively, the lowest of any support. The healing of her’s that is effective (armor pack) is explicitly geared towards anti-flanking. A flanker gets in, gets a kill, and gets out. With burst healing on a long cool down, you prevent the kill and they still have to leave because they’re squishy.
Burst healing is not effective in long drawn out team fights where the damage keeps coming. That is where inspire comes in… which is, again, objectively the lowest healing rate in the game. This is what should be changed.
pharah always countered tank compositions until the inclusion of brigitte where she ends up feeding support ults with splash
same with junkrat, and even mei was decent against them until brigitte was added
that doesn’t matter
what matters is that her aoe heals is stacked with other healing resources from the other two supports and her own armor from rally
tank compositions would willingly give up some dps for more sustain as long as the bash combo’s not directly nerfed since they have enough sustain to win wars of attrition and wait for their combo ultimates to be online
She already is not flanking. If she is flanking, her entire team is flanking you, and maybe your positioning is bad, but why ask yourself that question. Her survivability was greatly reduced from the time she was released, and you ignore that. She is getting punished for flanking consistently.
Really? You do realize that Brigitte does not just walk in plain sight for a flank right? It has always been the case where she would hide and kill someone or run away depending on the situation. And in comps that enable her, she can easily do more than that. Also, do you realize that you always start your arguments with a condescending vibe with self imposed assumption on people? It not very nice to assume superiority over people who are trying to communicate in a constructive way.
Support that self heals while doing damage and both not doing damage? Lucio. With mobility she is lacking, you’re forgetting to mention.
You are forgetting her heals are 16 hp/s. Do you know how much Winston does in one second? Winston. 60 dps. Rein does 75 dps. The first outdamages her healing, but the second outright kills her, because her abilities are on cd sooner or later, that’s how the actual game is played and not Forum Overwatch.
