None of that sounds balanced in the slightest. What the actual baloney, lol? You want bastion to be sneaky and put his ult on his E? His ult snipes 200-250 hp heroes like nothing, and you want that to be unlimited?
Not only that, but you want to give him a super steroid? So heās basically someone Ana never needs to boost because he can literally boost himself?
NOT ONLY THAT, YOU WANT 0 DAMAGE FALL OFF ON SENTRY MODE? BRO?! HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF BALANCE LOL?!
Iām sorry, but are you a moron? If you actually read the Tank Mode ability he put out, he said it would be 100 to 120 damage. Tank Mode is also INCREDIBLY LOUD because itās an ULTIMATE. If it was a REGULAR, LESS-THREATENING ABILITY but still LOUD it wouldnāt be consistent.
Just to clarify, I read the post, and I dislike the idea. I think Bastion needs to become more a more āindependentā hero that relies less on his team, but not this way.
Higher accuracy would be a nerf at lower ranks a buff at higher one , the ult would be limited to only 5 -10 shots
Hey your bastion changes are similar to mine but thereās one key difference, you keep bastions ability to be in the selected mode for as long as he wants meaning he wonāt ever change out of his most powerful form. Take a look at my changes and let me know what you think
Bastion changes
Self heal remains unchanged
Recon mode same
Turret mode, 10 second cool down, canāt reload, keeps standard iron clad, 20% reduction of spread.
New tank mode: 50% movement speed reduction, shells deal 120 damage, fire slower then ult mode (about 20% slower). 6 shells. Keeps standard ironclad. No reload 15 second cool down
Ult: hunter killer mode: buffs each mode duration drains meter at different rates depending on mode vastly reduces time it takes to change forms and there is no meter drain during configuration change (.5ish seconds)
Recon - targets that remain in line of site for 2 second (pending balance) are āmarkedā and are revealed through walls just like widow ult or hanzo sonic arrow (get it he is in recon mode heās doing reconasance for his team) gains iron clad for 30% drains meter at 5% per second
Turret mode - gains the ability to reload, reload cut in half compared to live, when curser is over a āmarkedā target spread is reduced by a further 20% buffs iron clad to 40% drains meter at 7.5%
Tank mode - still standard 6 shots with no reload, missles home in on targets if they are marked, buff to speed, fire rate, and damage to live values iron clad buffed to 50% drains meter at 10% a second
Limiting his transformation options would just kill him further than he already isā¦ 10 seconds is an eternity to be without your primary source of damage, especially if you donāt even use all of your ammo in Sentry. If you press shift twice, you now have to wait 10 seconds, and you didnāt even do anything. Punishing players for swapping modes more often isnāt a good way to balance him.
Before his rework, players had to move around a lot more often than they do now because they didnāt have Ironclad. If we were to either go back to that (no Ironclad), or allow Ironclad to affect all modes (I suggest attaching it to his heal, and either allow him to overheal himself with more armor that only he can apply/heal, or giving him some damage resist while healing kinda like Roadhog), then people will use Recon a lot more because they donāt lose their defenses when using it.
Tank on E is a decent rework, but I donāt think he really needs a rework that largeā¦ I think if they just make some changes to Ironclad and revert (or at least partial revert) Sentry mode to what it was before his rework, he would be fine. He would still probably be at the bottom of the pickrate list, but thatās fine. A lot of people avoid Bastion because they donāt like his playstyle, and thatās fine. Thereās a lot of other options out there, leave Bastionās about where it is for the people that do like it, just make him less bad.
Hereās a link to a post going over the overheal idea if anyone cares
And hereās my take on a Tank on E rework, but again, I would much rather they do something smaller
No, not silent.
Just quiet enough that it doesnāt sound like an airraid siren from around the corner.
The damage was said to be reduced to 120.
Thatās kinda the purpose of an ult. To not act like a sudo ability that can work on a CD.
I think this is all a bit much. I would like tank on e, or hos sentry mode could be better, but if you give him all of that plus a steroid ult he could get really overbearing.
Well I figure the ultimate would just upgrade the tank in E to the current version of tank ultimate. Minus the 3 seconds of transformation times.
And they can adjust the other transformation modes individually as well.
Either revert him so heās an actual glass cannon or go full on tanky and make him an anchor tank area denial hero
Hereās my take on it:
Recon
Sentry mode
E ability, Tank mode
This gives him mobility when he needs it, but not the power to turn into a grounded Pharah without the enemy reacting to him.
Self Heal
Ultimate ability: Overclock
Ironclad
Nifty, hadnāt thought of that charge mechanic on the Tank.
Preferably the first one, but the second wouldnāt be bad if he had about the same-ish damage output as Orisa.
Does the Sentry come with bloom added back, or a constant 2.25Ā°? And is the reload speed faster? It seems like Sentry is losing a LOT of power for Tank in that oneā¦
As I see it, the only real reaction to tank that you would have is his transformation time. This charge meter allows him to have multiple shots, but not in quick succession, allows the enemy time to react/get to cover, much like Widowās shots but without the OHK.
Possibly. I havenāt tested this idea since there is no real way to test it.
If the degree is 2.25, then possibly not because 2.0 was his original start. I donāt want Sentry to become a sniper again.
If 2.5, then possibly.
The goal of this is to shoot while in Sentry, but switch once done. I wouldnāt mind a slightly faster reload, but only slightly.
That reload is to prevent him from camping in Sentry.
This way he would reload via transforming.
His old spread was 2Ā°, but he started out at 1Ā° and bloomed out to 2Ā°ā¦ And he wasnāt really a sniper before, it was just a decent gun. Worse than 76ās in accuracy and spread controlā¦
What I would really want is a slightly toned down version of Hammondās spreadā¦ the same values, but it starts itās bloom slightly faster and reaches itās max slightly faster than Hammond.
But how long did it take to reach full bloom.
Currently, I just got the idea of his spread starting out at .75 spread, but only shooting 6 rounds per second.
That way itās accurate, but not so intensive that it would annihilate tanks.
Lemme try some brainstormingā¦
It started bloom instantly, and I think it took about half a second, give or take, to reach max.
What I normally suggest is this:
Thatās 6 bullets at 1.25Ā°, then 9 between 1.25Ā° and 2Ā°.
Thatās about half the speed that Orisa shootsā¦ It puts him at 90 DPS down from 450ā¦
| Spread | # of bullets | DPS | Time in spread angle |
|---|---|---|---|
| .75 | 6 | 45-90 / 67.5-135 HS | .5s |
| 1.25 | 12 | 90-180 / 135-270 HS | .5s |
| 1.75 | 18 | 135-270 / 202-405 HS | .5s |
| 2.25 | 30 | 225-450 / 337-675 HS | 1.5s |
| 2.50 | 30 | 225-450 / 337-675 HS | Infinite |
I over complicated this, but I think it makes sense.
This is how his damage would play out, since his spread time is in half-seconds:
Meaning heās very accurate, which would work well for his Tank mode. Do a 120 shot, go into Sentry, finish up with that 80 damage.
But the longer he shoots the worse his spread gets, but the better his damage gets.
Idk im bored.