💔 Bastion ISN’T being forgotten, he’s being ignored

[JaredMnstr-2554]

That feeling when somebody on stream calls you Orisa main instead of bastion main

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So long old friend…

[DrClan-1789]

Funny how people here think she’s OP.

I don’t know what to think of the forums these days…

[AlphaVI-21848]

now that the game has over 2 years,
every single hero recieved a buff counterring bastion

can we please revert most of bastion nerfs PLS !!!?

[ChibiFox-11511]

Since it has been three entire days since the last message here, and in light of the fact that i intend to go on a genuine hiatus from the game and these forums until something interesting happens upon reaching 15K posts, i figured i would at least make one here to see if i can’t have a small conversation about how i feel that Bastion’s current state is appalling at best, due to the heroes currently being used to aid in countering the current forming/already formed, meta.

To quote, from somewhere in my thread about said hiatus:

@ChibiFox-11511

how are you dying over & over as Bastion with baptiste + double barrier meta?

Because Bastion is made of wet cardboard.

If someone has a sightline to that Bastion, for even a single moment, that Bastion is dead.

Now try facing things like Sombra, Doomfist, Baptiste, Ana, Roadhog, and Sigma.

Who are being used to counter, said meta.
Now you’re dead if you have to fight any of them.

And you will be jumped, constantly. pushed from straight on, constantly.
And attacked from every conceivable angle and range, constantly.

You can’t keep shields up long enough to keep a Bastion alive, and Bap’s field doesn’t work when the enemy can focus it, in fact, it’s only really valuable when facing a Bastion, since Bastion now has to focus down a random floating thing and is wasting time and effort, and is now in a huge “Shoot me” window if time.

Not to mention that a stunned Bastion, is a dead Bastion. No matter the length of the stun.

If you start having a Doomfist pounce on you, you have two choices:

• Try to kill the doomfist and get killed by the other enemies in the process.
• Focus an enemy before you die to the doomfist in the process.

And yes, they will attempt to pounce straight on you from any angle, and through any shield.

Just like a Genji, as long as you’re not focusing them directly (Such as dealing with a shield or Tank that is threatening your team) They can circle around you and kill you before you can react.

And assuming you stop focusing whatever else and only center on them, now you’re doing two things that will get you killed:

• Showing your head hitbox to the enemy.
• Leaving your immediate area defenseless as you fight the closest enemy to you.

Allow me to also mention that as long as there is a Sombra on the enemy team you are constantly listening to your backside and even check-firing behind you, since you HAVE to cancel her hack, or you become a walking duck , in a hilarious turn of the tables. And once you’re hacked, you’re dead.

Being slept is easier to counter but still leaves you as a less easily defended sitting duck, and you can only be woken by enemy fire, which sucks.

BUT, being unable to heal as a Bastion, means you’re dead.
Which also means you’ll find yourself ducking in and our of cover, trying to keep away from sightlines with open air .

Ana’s tend to lob those granades miles away in pre-planned arcs, that will surely hit the payload from certain sightlines.

If this happens, that’s it. Game over. That push, or that security you had with a point or payload is now gone.

Sigma can now block you off of any sightline, without putting himself in danger, like an Orisa or even Reinhardt. He can project the barrier and leave before he’s ever in any danger, meaning you MUST re-position the moment you see it, and burn it any chance you get from a safe location. If you see his shield, you move. no questions asked.

Roady is simple of course. Hooked = Dead. And his self heal means that unless you have immediate team assistance he can walk right up to you no matter what, or create the sightline he needs without any danger to himself.

I think that just about covers everything…

For those six heroes.

Bastion is literally unplayable on top of all the other tiny nuances and interactions that are all too familiar to a Bastion main.

I currently rest my case, albeit a rather hamfisted one.

[POONA-21774]

Blizzard forgotten about bastion, but you haven’t forgotten to bump this dead thread.

[ChibiFox-11511]

The thread dies when i die, and i never intend to.

It’s at 20,000+ posts, it’s basically a legend of a topic, and it still needs to be addressed.

I’m leaving this entire game soon to take time off from it and hopefully clear my head of it till i come back, and if i’m going to do anything before i do that, it’s relight this small small flame. as long as that may last.

[POONA-21774]

I’m leaving this entire game soon to take time off from it and hopefully clear my head of it till i come back, and if i’m going to do anything before i do that, it’s relight this small small flame. as long as that may last.

I really enjoy your passion

[ChibiFox-11511]

If i’m passionate about anything, it’s fixing things that are clearly broken.

And Bastion is clearly broken.

I was playing him recently in deathmatch, and… i know that’s not the best way to play the game, but it could be argued that 1v1’s are a valuable source for data gathering.

What did i learn?

Sigma is a god and i shouldn’t even attempt to run or hide or fight no matter the advantage i have against him.

If i give up my mobility that’s just shooting myself in the foot.

[POONA-21774]

Do you play on EU? Me and my friends want to babysit your bastion. We can pocket and shield you from the mean mean sigmas.

[ChibiFox-11511]

US, sadly.

Also i don’t need shielding since for one, hiatus.
And two, there is nothing that can be done. i’m hoping when the next hero is released they will somehow shake things around a little, but… that doesn’t mean Bastion will be able to stand his ground when given the chance.

If you’re caught out by a sigma, that’s it. you’re dead. and by “caught out” i mean without an entire team’s assistance to fight one hero.

[Terranguard-11978]

Blizzard forgotten about bastion, but you haven’t forgotten to bump this dead thread.

They only remembered long enough to nerf his healing by adding a delay that nobody knew was even supposed to be there.

[ChibiFox-11511]

They only remembered long enough to nerf his healing by adding a delay that
nobody knew was even supposed to be there.

It not only isn’t supposed to be there they knew good and well it would only make Bastion harder to use.

They’ve even stated that they’re willing to nerf Bastion directly with the Tracer buff.

They don’t play the game.

All they do is, they listen to the loudest crying and make it stop with a band aid.

[Terranguard-11978]

All they do is, they listen to the loudest crying and make it stop with a band aid.

band-aids don’t fix bullet holes. Unless they’re bullets from Bastion; those just bounce off peoples heads.

[ChibiFox-11511]

Don’t remind me… ;-;

They know… they KNOW THIS.

And yes they don’t fix it.
Bastion should deal headshot damage, Bastion should heal correctly, and Bastion should be feared.

Sigma stands- Floats there, as if Bastion is less dangerous to him than a god damn Tracer.

AND IT’S TRUE.

[Terranguard-11978]

btw I’m getting closer to figuring out a working headshot program in the workshop. I’m just trying to find a way to get the right made up head hitbox height for all heroes. A general one will be too high or too low on certain heroes so I need it dynamic (It’ll change based on the hero using as little code as possible). I got the actual headshotting part done, it’s just the critbox placement I’m having issues with.

[ChibiFox-11511]

Well i would assume it’s about 2x the actual head texture, probably.

I say that being generous, since it acts that way in most cases with Tank sized heroes.

I dunno about Bastion or like, Roady or Rein… but that is hard to even figure out.

[Terranguard-11978]

It’s the height not the size. Everyone’s first person view is lower than their head so I cannot use that, but what I can do is their head hitbox plus a percentage of their height as a Y vector with maybe some special heights for specific heroes. That means there’s a point floating above their first person view, about where their head is, and if it’s within a certain dynamic angle on my screen when I hurt them it’s a crit. There are inherent issues that cannot be fixed because of the workshop like how if a bullet lands outside of the critzone but I’m still within the angle view that bullet will crit, as well as if I’m looking away from the critbox but still hit it, that won’t crit.

the angle in view code is just the “is in view angle” command, the location of the critbox is what it’s checking and from event players view is where it’s checking, arctan 0.25/distance from event player’s eye position and the critbox location.

It just gets the center angle on my screen that has to be over the new critbox in order for the critbox to be 0.25 meters tall and wide.

It’s just inverse tangent of 0.25 (height of hitbox) divided by the distance from my fpv to the new head hitbox. Trig is useful.

[ChibiFox-11511]

It’s the height not the size.

HEIGHT!! Not size.
Dumb fox.

It’s just inverse tangent of 0.25 (height of hitbox) divided by the distance from my fpv to the new head hitbox. Trig is useful.

@,@

I don’t think i can help you but i would appreciate the code for that when it’s done.

[Terranguard-11978]

distance is the adjacent side of a triangle, 0.25 is the opposite side of the triangle/height, and the hypotenuse is unknown/doesn’t matter.

0.25=opposite side/height
distance=adjacent side
hypotenuse doesn’t matter
theta=the angle coming from my view
arctan=inverse tan
tan(theta)=0.25/distance
theta=arctan(0.25/distance)

so assuming distance is 20 meters just 'cuz then:
theta=arctan(0.25/20)
theta=arctan(0.0125)
theta=0.716159945 degrees

at 20 meters I need to keep the center 0.716159945 degrees of my screen over the new head hitbox in order to crit. That’s a little over 1/3rd of his minimum spread in sentry.

assuming 5 meters also just 'cuz

theta=arctan(0.25/5)
theta=arctan(0.05)
theta=2.86240523 degrees

at 5 meters the center 2.86240523 degrees need to be on the critbox

assuming 1 meter also just 'cuz then it would be 14.0362435 degrees

as you get closer the angle keeps going up because the head gets closer. Magic.

Is it good or bad that literally the only thing I’ve used trig for after my college trig class was to rebuild headshots for Bastion?

[ChibiFox-11511]

Is it good or bad that literally the only thing I’ve used trig for after my college trig class was to rebuild headshots for Bastion?

Good. Definitely good.

Because i can say without a shadow of a doubt that i don’t understand a single thing of any of that.