That is probably the best defense for Bastionās DPS Iāve ever heard, tbh. I still think he needs some adjusting, but not that much.
Also, just in response to people wanting his personal shield back, I highly doubt that will happen as long as Orisa is a playable character. Which is sad, honestly. A characterās viability shouldnāt be completely reliant on pairing them with another character.
Old sentry Bastion with headshots and a smaller bullet spread had only 200 bullets per magazine instead of 300 and a significantly longer transformation time of 2 seconds compared to todayās 1.5. With no Ironclad, transforming in front of an enemy was suicide even more than it is now. It made his sentry mode much more thoughtful in its use.
The way to optimize Bastion (particularly before Orisa existed) was to set up in a spot where you expected the enemy to appear in front of you, shoot them until they reacted, and then pick up and move immediately to avoid the retaliation from them (if they survived) or their allies, because without Ironclad Bastion could take even fewer hits.
Pre-rework Bastion was an ambush predator with a much longer range. He effectively took on the role of snipers, but without truly instant kills (particularly at the longest ranges) and without any of the additional mobility that Hanzo and Widowmaker enjoy. To compensate for his lack of ability to work around them, while they required a lot of his magazine, he could break shields better than Hanzo or Widow.
In the hands of a good player, pre-rework Bastion was absolutely terrifying, as he should be, as most of the other damage heroes are. Now with a blunted weapon, current Bastion is just kindaā¦ meh. They tried to patch up his weaknesses by increasing his durability, but in the process they took away some of his best strengths. Even his healing is now limited. Pre-rework, damage interrupted it but he could peek corners and self heal all day long, or alternatively hold a corner indefinitely against an enemy corner-peeker dealing intermittent damage.
Iām pretty sure Iāve posted that exact thing to this very thread in the past, but Iām too lazy to scroll through nearly 20,000 posts to find it.
Itās rightful place of honor was being screamed at full volume in the devās facesā¦ but since i canāt do that, i figured iād bring it up right here and right now since itās more than theyāre doing with their lives.
If someone gets butthurt enough about this gif to silence me then go right aheadā¦ iāll be using it and the words above it a LOT in the coming future.
In fact, i think itās my new signature.
Within this Fox burns the rage of ten thousand suns.
A rage which will never die, lest the problem persists.
As long as the hero loses basic numbers games, iāll be hereā¦ or somewhereā¦ making my voice heard.
Iām sure itās a question of priorities rather than laziness, but I completely understand how after all this time the lack of Bastionās prioritization has become upsetting. I suppose Iām more tired than angry over it at this point, which is how I feel about Mercy too.
Bastion doesnāt have the biggest fan base, so Iām sure that isnāt helping. The disaster of the last rework may also make them hesitant.
What was the disaster?
You remember the 3 days Bastion had a 35% damage resistance in sentry?
No, I must have missed it. But that honestly sounds atrocious.
I honestly do not know what was the worst version of Bastion.
The Beta Beast or the Ironclad monster, both give me some seriously bad vibes to be honest.
Did you guys see that BTC video about bastion? What did yāall think about it
Him again?
What happens this time?
I think he has absolutely no idea what heās talking about.
I agree. Iām not familiar with bastion like at all besides those few times when bunker makes me want to die but the changes he was talking about seemed waaaaay too drastic
His 1st option is pretty good one. Having Sentry being restricted by a resource with the trade off high dps will make bastion useful and keep his design.
Sentry Mode
Buff the damage from 15 to either 20 or 25.
Reduce the ammo count to 100.
Instead of reloading bastion gains 10 ammo per 3 seconds or 20 per 4 seconds.
Recon mode
Buff the accuracy slightly
Tank mode
Buff the direct hit damage from 200 to 250. It requires quite a lot to pull a direct hit with the tank. The splash can be the same.
Faster transformation.
I understand the sentiment, but this isnāt removing the effect, itās just changing how that effect is achieved.
Conceptually, Bastion is still getting extra protection in sentry mode as compensation for the immobility but protection of a far better sort.
The backlash against 35% ironclad was something else though.
Thank you, I will be testing it post-haste.
Shame it canāt block CC though but it should work for the purposes of damage testing.
I was brainstorming that idea as well, the problem is heroes like DVA perform abysmally against armour. DVA has been having a bit too much of a hard time recently. Ditto for Tracer.
If it was a proper barrier he wouldnāt be supremely vulnerable to being:
Frozen may seem like an odd one but it may not be obvious how many heroes depend on backing out of the range of meiās freeze blast and in sentry that isnāt an option and Mei can use wall to get close.
Giving sentry a time limit is something everyone here thinks is a terrible idea.
Not a time limit, read the rest of the post i did
This makes me want to kill myself.
Restricted by any means, especially a resource which is an effective time limit, would make the hero virtually unplayable.
Perhaps we got off on the wrong foot hereā¦
The concept is that a Bastion in Sentry mode should work like a machinegun nest: Something you donāt face off straight on.
An increase in his dps will make it more appearent than it already is, the ammo restriction is a pay off for this. You can still play a bunker-esque playstile, since you will burn down any shield in a matter of seconds, however just spraying and praying will cost you.
You will stance dance in and out of sentry mode, having the accuracy increased while in Recon mode (even better than soldier) is a good balance due to Bastions massive hitbox.
I ask you this, with these changes in mind, how would YOU play Bastion?
The changes you suggested?
I would be forced to attempt to play Bastion as a fat soldier (And get killed) when not using the only reason i would play the hero in the situations i want to play the hero, and otherwise when i AM using Sentry Mode, i guess iāll be watching a meter drain as my enemy know blatantly to wait out my āCooldownā Of using Sentry, simply to attack after iāve deployed or whatever youād call it, meaning iāve wasted it entirely.
Thereās not much more to say.
And Recon is fine as is!
I literally donāt care if you make Recon the best fat soldier in the game, heās the size of a Tank and doesnāt need to be āplayedā differently.
The only issue the hero DOES have, is that when youāre in Sentry Mode, you lack the ability to burst down other heroes, while giving them the chance to do just that to yourself.
PLEASE stop trying to balance this hero simply and entirely from the standpoint of giving the ENEMY an advantage above all, and let the hero have itās own advantage for giving up mobility entirely when in Sentry Mode.