💔 Bastion ISN’T being forgotten, he’s being ignored

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This is stating the obvious.

No one ever said someone on your team or the enemy playing Bastion would necessarily make the game good, I mean the game could easily be ruined by trolls spamming anti-bastion hatred in the chat.

It’s the same with this self-confessed trolling:

Well DUH, no one said the only way you could have a good game is if someone on your team or the enemy team at some point plays Bastion.

So logically a game without Bastion can be a good game.

But it won’t necessarily be a good game.

GOATS vs GOATS is one where Bastion is never played… is that a good game? I’d like to see you defend that for the lack of Bastion.

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18918

I mean, I was making the point that I’m not salty because I regularly play one of Bastion’s strongest counters, but also making the point that even getting the free win over a Bastion comp isn’t a good win nontheless.

This was an isolated response to your salt comment and you treated it like it wasn’t, but worse is that you naturally would know it is and just pretended like it wasn’t or you really didn’t understand that.

I didn’t think I had to make the point that Bastion is played with shields and that A + D strafing doesn’t save you from a Bastion.

Alright now you’re just legitimately forgetting how English works because of your need to defend Bastion.
Do you want to read what I said again and laugh at how ironic this comment is?

Also, I was applying it with current Overwatch, current Overwatch without Bastion would be a better game, that was the point I made so I don’t know what you’re on about here

More than 2 replies to TREB bait is actually dangerous for one’s own mental health so I’m gonna drop off here.

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Sounds like you think it’s bad because Bastion is too weak and needs a buff against Sombra to make it fun.

Yes you do because unlike you, people here actually play bastion. We know how rare it is to get shield and the rare occasion we get shields we know how rarely that works.

What do you think it proves that an unorganised team is at a disadvantage against an organised team?

Please point out the exact error(s) in my syntax and I will gladly correct it.

But if you are unable to then I’ll take this as a desperate attempt to refute the irrefutable, to claim to not understand what you do understand but don’t want to deal with.

No.

Because that comment is literally being as literal as possible, the literal opposite of irony.

Why? Why would current Overwatch without Bastion would be a better game?

Give a specific reason. Not an elaborate retelling of your opinion, a reason.

No that was the accusation you made. You made no point at all.

Bait? You’re the self confessed troll.

It’s not “bait” to bring up a very salient point that GOATS vs GOATS really sucks and that’s defined by lack of heroes like Bastion when Bastion would be really good for breaking that up.

And you’re going to run off as soon as you face anything real, anything that isn’t your trolling and nonsense.

You’re not going to come back when you next see this thread, you’re going to wait until you hope everyone forgot how you can’t answer any real questions about this or deal with any substance.

All you have is self-confessed trolling and hatred.

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18920

Alright I can’t sleep and

this is actually too good of a point to hold off on so I’m going to do the unthinkable and reply thrice to TREB bait.
Also Dr. Clan liked again so any opportunity, you know?

No it doesn’t, if you stopped going in with a mindset that you have to defend bastion you’d remember I hope that Bastion gets no playtime whatsoever.

No I don’t, because Bastion is played with shields, and when he isn’t he dies instantly and he’s throwing the game unless he’s playing with a carry Hammond.

Bastion comps aren’t organized marvels, they’re cheese comps. Heroes that work well in Bastion comps naturally synergize with Bastion comps, so. So aside from lower ranks, in higher ones you’ll find it barely gets any playtime anyway. Or Bastion in general.

You read it as if it were in a vacuum of one match, I said never played.

Not anymore

Did earlier.

Now if the other thing wasn’t irony…

Alright never again will I reply thrice, look at the mistakes it makes me do!

Edit: Also damn that’s some persuasive writing right there.

I thought the idea was that I wasn’t going to respond but you associated that with being “unable”. Clever TREB.

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Well if wishes were pennies you’d be a billionaire.

Unfortunately for you all that matters is, - you know - reasons. And bragging about how easily you deal with Bastion yet how unsatisfying is still you inadvertently undermining you own point. Yes, they’re your words, but you were careless in your mocking bragging words.

Says the person who doesn’t play bastion.

What’s so special about Hammond? Nothing. Bastion does not die close to instantly without shields, you don’t play Bastion, you’re telling people who know how Bastion is and telling them not to believe their own lying eyes!

And they don’t take organised marvels to destroy such cheese comps.

Next.

The game is made up of matches. Without matches there is no game. Yes there are technically things other than matches, I supposed there’s technically the menu when you launch the game and queuing but the actual gameplay is played in matches.

Please show where you did give a specific reason why would “current Overwatch without Bastion would be a better game”.

A specific reason why, for that.

You can’t show that because you didn’t do that.

And you really should be embarrassed by resorting to such blatant gaslighting, you’re not messing with us, it just shows you’re really bad at messing with people.

That’s why you aren’t responding. Because you are unable to give a reason.

You can outright lie and claim you gave a reason at some unspecified point before, but a lie is a lie.

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18925

This dude came in the Bastion thread for saying this.
“A game without Bastion is a good game”.
Even if it’s maybe not a troll, this dude is a bit odd and stupid.

Anyway, by seeing your recent post it’s clear that you don’t play Bastion that much.

Not the fault of the heroe if your recent ranked silver-diamond games as been destroy by Bastion.

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I’ve played in silver and he’s certainly not a problem down there.

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18927

Even on the overwatch.gamepedia page, the most basics guide to begin with it says :

Carefully consider where to place yourself in turret mode. Change positions often (when you can safely move), especially whenever you feel that the enemy knows your location or is forming a strategy against you. Try to use the element of surprise to your advantage. Bastion does especially well in narrow corridors and unexpected positions.

It doesn’t say stay behind shield like a bot.

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18928

pink is a colour that will get you shot at… im now hard locking out all pink skins from selection it’s just not worth the salt.

oh just to throw my money into the pot.

I detest for the most part when im pockets by a Rein and its “Just shoot the Bastion” Shield, and a mercy that is also highlighting my position with her glow in the dark just shoot the Bastion damage boost. I want to be flanking and collecting kills not being the target of 6 ults at the same time because my position is being advertised. not joking a few games the enemy team really wanted me dead, in a way that was almost personal.

Danger close but not suicidal close thanks.

but then im just a mud level QP player. my opinion wont matter if you are rank happy.

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No, he is just looking for someone to talk to…

Rest of the threads are all about lore, politics and other not game related topics…

also thats kinda cute

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Yeah, that Mercy would honestly be far more useful keeping alive the roving players who keep running interference.

It’s way way better for Mercy to enable them to probe and test the enemy position, kicking up the hornets nest then luring them back into the Bastion’s guns where they’re damaged, distracted and temporarily outnumbered.

You sit in one “highly defended” position it’s basically the same strategic error as the Maginot Line. The more concentrated the defences the more obvious where they are and more dilute they must be elsewhere, you’ll just get outmanoeuvred. Yes, hunkering behind a shield can briefly work, but the odds of it continuing to work rapidly fall over time.

What you want is to be far more like is the Battle Of The Bulge. Elastic front line constantly pressuring and testing, but falling back against counter-attack to have them run into concentrated defensive positions. Let Bastion be… Bastogne.

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Idk about you, but im not a fan of the new hero bars colors when looking at players profile.

My orisa green and bastion olive greenish color is now caramel and toothpaste.

Once again…

Look how they massacred my boy…
and his horse?

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Grumbles in historian

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Okay, I know I’m missing out details like France had a lot of personnel who were unfit (mostly due to age and lack of comms equipment) for mobile warfare but would be fit for the more static siege warfare of an extensive bunker complex. But there’s still the fundamental problem that by a force being unable to easily reposition it is far less effective than its paper capability.

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actually i borrow a lot of my styles of attack from the Viet Cong, that lot was nasty at setting up strike positions that no one expected and their tunnel systems… lets say the tunnel rats that went down them to shut them down all deserve Victoria Crosses for bravery.

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18935

Well it had more to do with a lucky push though the ardennes, and not being able to set up in Belgium until the Germans attacked, not beforehand as was planned when it was designed.

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Been awhile since iv’e been to the forums but i’d like to throw a Bastion total rework idea into the mix “as long as were spit balling ideas :stuck_out_tongue:. A lot of people have suggested giving him back his pre rework Sentry fire and I’d agree. He just doesn’t chew through stuff like he used to and even with Ironclad he falls pretty fast without a friendly barrier guarding him. He also needs at least some mobility in Sentry mode to be viable. Of course he should still be vulnerable to long range fire and sneaky flankers to balance that out imo. They could change him so he gets back the ability to headshot in Sentry and give him the pre rework spread for it. The time it takes him to transform into Sentry would be reduced from 1 second to 0.5 seconds. And he would gain the ability to move at 50% movement speed “Reinhardt barrier speed” while in Sentry mode. When transforming into Sentry his bottom half would turn into tank treads with the top being the minigun. When transforming into tank mode he would once again gain an instant extra 150 armor as he did before his last rework. His total health in Sentry and Recon would be converted from 200 health and 100 armor “300 total health” to just 200 armor “200 total health”. He would also gain a frontal 200 health recharging barrier that can block non area damage and debilitating abilities after transforming into Sentry "Sombra’s hack and EMP would still go through it :stuck_out_tongue: ". To balance all that out he would lose Ironclad in all forms and he would be changed to a short to mid range blender by having his Sentry fire do full damage only up to 20 meters. Beyond 20 meters his damage per bullet would be reduced to just 1 “just 60 dps when head shotting long range targets, also another reason to switch back to recon when necessary :stuck_out_tongue: '”. It looks like it would take a huge total rework to make him viable in the higher tiers again. I’m curious if he would need changes this drastic to do it? Thoughts? Any ideas/modifications to this to add?

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Love spit balling any and all suggestions :slight_smile:

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Last thing I suggested may have been a bit much :smile:. A different path might be to revert the spread on his Sentry form back to the pre rework value and give him the ability to headshot enemies that are within 20 meters of him “Good for grinding up enemies that get too close :wink:”. The time it takes him to transform into Sentry would be reduced from 1 second to 0.5 seconds. And he would gain the ability to move at 50% movement speed “Reinhardt raised barrier speed” while in Sentry mode. When transforming into Sentry his bottom half would turn into tank treads with the top being the minigun. When transforming into tank mode he would once again gain an instant extra 150 armor as he did before his last rework. His total health in Sentry and Recon would be converted from 200 health and 100 armor “300 total health” to 300 armor “300 total health”. Finally he would lose Ironclad in all forms.

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How would you like it if they “made mei viable” by changing her freeze ray so that it had 3x the range but never freezes anyone at all? You’d say “you haven’t fixed Mei, you just took away her unique abilities and made it generic and boring”

That is all you are doing with Bastion.

It is NOT a sentry mode if Bastion is rolling around at the speed that DVA moves when she’s shooting. Just like Mei isn’t Mei any more if her freeze ray doesn’t freeze. Sentry mode is stationary. That’s the deal. Deal with it.

That is not a variation on Bastion, that is a totally and fundamentally different hero.

Do not DESTROY Bastion just because you want to butcher his corpse to make an UTTERLY AND FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT hero.

And the whole concept is just so sloppy, it is UTTERLY WORTHLESS to have 2-degrees spread if you damage drops off by 93% as you go from 19.9m to 20.1m. Such a sudden step change in damage is going to be absolutely awful to play against, everyone will hate how it arbitrarily changes in damage.

That is AWFUL. That cannot work for any hero at any speed.

It also can’t work having headshots have a sudden arbitrary cut off as you go from 19.9m to 20.1m. It’s going to be irritating for whoever plays Bastion.

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