Any1 feel like they should start nerfing tanks to JQ's lvl?

[Morningstar-12853]

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@Level-11869

overwatch 1 tanks did comparable damage. im pretty sure the only tanks that got their damage straight buffed from ow1 to ow2 were d.va, who got nerfed, and sigma. there are some others like rein/winston getting more range but their damage is largely similar.

Thats not my point, point is, what do tanks do? create space, by stopping/dealing damage, theres 1 less player to do said damage (and absorb it, ofc) meaning they dont need to do their job as well as they once did.

@Level-11869

you arent answering my question by showing me your random dream patch notes

Yeah i am, if you go into it, you’ll see that i wanted changes for every tank, you’ll find out then what kind of thing i would want changed for example :

@Morningstar-12853

100 Base armor converted to health (Health 350 → 450 , Armor 200 → 100)
Experimental Barrier
(–) Maximum HP reduced by 50 (700 → 650)
Tesla Cannon (Secondary fire)
(+)Time to get to full charge reduced by 0.2s (1.2s → 1s)

A few of them are pretty outdated, this one i think aint, but even still, the ideas hold true.

@Level-11869

the individual tank doesnt match the value of 2 ow1 tanks. it would be problematic if there was too much value in the individual tank which I dont believe is the case overall.

As i said before, it doesnt, still, its too much.

@Level-11869

sigma is post rq + a tank being viable in 1/3/2 comp doesnt mean that they didnt rely on tank synergies.

But he didnt, as he was a off and main tank at the same time, just look at what kind of changes he got coming to OW2, just more damage basically.

And they were literally playing solo tank, if thats not lack of need for synergies, i dont know what is.

LuckyDucky12

@LuckyDucky12-11252

I think we should know by now that tweaking a characters numbers even a LITTLE bit can result in dramatic changes for the character. Zarya got a slap on the wrist for nerfs numerically, at least in my opinion, and people just dropped her like a hot stone.

Yeah, though thats just because other tanks didnt get the same slap, so the comparison is much greater, changes have to be done well.

@LuckyDucky12-11252

You want to nerf all tanks down to JQ’s level, so you’ve giving a benchmark. I’m telling you, that would ruin tanks.

JQ does her job well enough, people grossly underestimate her i think.

@LuckyDucky12-11252

You don’t know that it wouldn’t change that. In fact, what’s your game development experience? I have personal experience with developing indie-games, nothing major, but even I know chopping off health from a tank can make them shockingly less tanking even though I swear I didn’t take that much.

No experience actually developping games, just following many different kind of games balance states closely on a competitive lvl, like Fighting Games, FPS games, RPS, Mobas…etc, for a good 10ish years now.

@LuckyDucky12-11252

This is because of all the variables in the game. Nerfing tanks to JQ’s level seems good on paper, but you have to account for every possible engagement, so if you haven’t done that, you can’t say “Oh, just give them less impact by tweaking their numbers!”. Its not that simple.

Thats exactly why theres something called play-testing, ofc not everything gets implemented at once and boom, job done, no, testing, a healthy amount of it and we get to it.

@LuckyDucky12-11252

Overwatch’s devs have been doing this, and I don’t know about you, but I think it looks like its effected the game negatively. Maybe its time for a new approach?

Nerfing tanks to JQ lvl? we have not gotten there at all, in fact, they have buffed JQ (minor one), are coming with even more buffs to her, Rein, Ball and maybe Zarya , literally going the opposite way.

HappyTeabag

@FlankSinatra-2631

The power shift to punch damage and addition of stun to normal punch actually has a net increase in killing power in my opinion especially in isolated 1v1s. You don’t even need good hand cannon aim anymore with punch doing more damage.

Thats all compesated by the 1s cooldown increase i think.

@FlankSinatra-2631

Coming back to the point of this thread, I think this issue you point out has an indirect impact on supports.

Once your tank dies, you feel quite helpless to do anything as a support. Even if you get a pick, they are still likely to win the fight unless you kill their tank and good tanks will play safe once they have the advantage.

Thats true for DPS too, if your tank die, your space is gone and you’ll just get bullied by their tank, but yes, space creation loss impacts Support more than DPS, if DPS do get too overwhelmingly strong, its simple, just nerf them too.