Algorithmic Handicapping (MMR/PBSR) is WRONG for Overwatch 2

If you actually took the time to read the patents you claim Overwatch uses, you can clearly see they reference things such as “weapon purchase”

WHERE IN OVERWATCH IS THAT

omg this is one of funniest thing I ever read hahahaha

I will drag Blizzard’s precious “E-Sports professionals” down from their pedestals, together with other true competitors who are being suppressed by MMR.

After reading this I’m convinced it’s a troll at this point lol.

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Viva le resistance!! Down with the empire!

/rps

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As someone who does this for a living. I can assure you that AI does “its best” to do so - and it’s often quite accurate. An essential part to AI is learning. It is very possible for one person to throw and threaten the prediction AI had calculated. It’s simple - it learns from that and adjusts its parameters for future matchmaking. Each dataset makes it more intelligent and potentially raises its accuracy.

Games have been employing this for years. This isn’t a new concept.

I can’t confirm nor deny if OW does this, but this is in fact a thing in other games.

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its easier to climb on new accounts compared to accounts with lots of data about your play-style.

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The big corps dont all share data, they’re in competition with each other. They do however hire similar people to do the same job - experience designing MMR systems isnt that common, although i have some experience myself.

You’re using the word “addicting” but that’s not right. This isnt the same psychological BS that Diablo Immortal uses. Its about retention - keeping players playing and having fun so everyone has more people to play with.

If a player goes on a losing streak, that might piss them off and make them stop playing completely. Given the semi-random nature of match making, that could lead to some HUGE losing streaks (much bigger than you experience now). So why not tweak the randomness a little and put them in to a game that might stop the losing streak? As for win streaks? Well, if someone loses, someone wins, right?

On fairness though? Since everyone is part of the same system it IS absolutely fair.

I’m on your side here - ideally, you’d want the only stat that matters for SR to be win or lose. That’d be fair. Complete randomness would also be fair, but unfortunately we cant have that because people are People who are Jerks and People who Complain.

The People who are Jerks that screw up a simple SR system like that? Smurfs and alt accounts. In a simple SR system, they get to smash low ranks for MUCH longer. OW’s system rapidly moves them up rank to improve the experience of new or low rank players.

People who Complain? Well, when faced with a REAL random system, they also have to deal with REAL random, which, while absolutely fair, does not FEEL fair. Its possible to roll 1 on a dice 500 times in a row in a completely random system. Matchmaking tries to bias the randomness to ensure a better experience.

the claim of game design experience has been made many times, but as far as I know no credentials have ever been produced to support this claim

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can we all take the time to read the patents.

They are for games that have a “Buy Gun between rounds” mechanic

Evidence has been given to a level that satisfied other forum members. What additional evidence would you like? I’m more than happy to give it as this topic seems to mean so much to you.

I’m starting to think that you do not want the evidence, given the number of times i’ve asked this question.

actually, no, it hasnt

First, I know of only one forum member who has stated anything of the sort. Thats member, singular; not members, plural

Second, that forum member indicated that he believes the claim despite the fact that credentials have not been presented. That forum member has a belief, not a certainty.

The burden of supporting a claim is on the person making said claim

Actually, the topic actually seems to mean a lot to you, not me

The frequently and regularly repeated claim is made by you…not me, not any others

One wonders why one would continually make the claim, ie what value would a forum member derive from having readers believe they are a professional game designer?

things that make you go hmmmmmm

One can believe what one wishes, regardless of the accuracy of such beliefs, just as flat earthers do

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Given that it has been proven to others, that burden does not lie on me. As you’re the only one with an issue here, if you are unable to define what evidence is required for you specifically, i cannot give it to you.

I’m just talking about my life dude, you’re the one that replies every single time i post about it. I dont see you posting the same thing every time anyone else talks about their jobs or other IRL stuff.

As for why i post it all the time? Well, its kinda funny watching you constantly take the bait.

it hasnt actually been proven to others

one forum member - one, not “others” plural - has stated that they believe it to be true.

Belief and proven/certainty are two entirely different things

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While i appreciate you correcting my use of a plural, you seem to have forgotten to reply again to my main point:

What evidence do you want?

as I have already stated, the burden of proof is on the individual who makes the otherwise unsupported claim

with this now fully clarified, I won’t be addressing it further in this side conversation

People with sound reasoning skills can usually state what kind of evidence would be needed to change their minds, and they can admit when no evidence could convince them, either because they recognize their own stubbornness or because the question is metaphysical. Saying “I don’t know what evidence you could provide but you need to provide it” is a really bad look.

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I made no such statement

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You do not have the right to state something is fully clarified without agreement from the other party. This is not fully clarified.

You have rejected all evidence that has been presented to you. I have enquired repeatedly for your personal requirements as this is your personal issue, which you have failed to give.

All further statements about my profession will be treated as harassment and an unsubtle attempt to force me into revealing my personal details, and will be reported as such.

It should be obvious. If one claims to be a game designer then they should provide their credentials, games worked on and so on. If they cannot do this then they should simply allow whatever arguments they make to stand on their own merit rather than try to fall back on a claim that they cannot provide proof for - and have never provided proof for.

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I will address this newly raised point, as it was not part of the previous conversation

…so…

actually, I do have the right to state what I wish to state in these forums, as long as forum rules are not violated

I will address this newly raised point, as it was not part of the previous conversation

…so…

There has been no attempt whatsoever to force you (or anyone) to reveal anything.

The choice to provide or not provide the credentials is (and always has been and always will be) yours alone

There is nothing forced here…and there cant ever be, as no forum member has the means to force any other forum member to do anything, ever

There also is no harassment going on. What is occurring is that an entirely unsupported statement is being made repeatedly, and given the same repeated statement, so then occurs the same repeated response. It would be the same if I saw “1+1=3” repeated over and over again…my response would be along the lines of “actually, 1+1=2”.