Lack of balance changes revolving around Open Queue, it was never taken serious since then. Those that loved Open Queue left and some have came back but it will never be what it used to be. Like who would want to come back after their voices were silenced. Blizzard was pretty slow to reimplement it back into Overwatch too.
Additionally, OW2 will solidify Open Queue’s death because tanks are now overpowered and also, the death of 6v6. Unless they pull the same thing again and reintroduce it like Open Queue later in the future. But then again, that 6v6 mode will be as dead as Open Queue.
Role lock was the final hit that stopped me playing the game, and at that point i was already only playing qp. Classic QP (or how it is called) in Arcade isn’t taken seriously 100% of times, even if most of times i played almost perfect team composition, like old qp.
They just needed to limit tank pick up to 2 characters per team w/o any role lock, and that would have fixed everything, but nope, let’s go hard way instead. A complete denial that tanks are the issue in this game, and supports enabling all the crap, lead them to a dead game. Ngl, ow2 would be like 6/10 max compared to what ow used to be and eventually decay, no battlepass or f2p will save the game from bad development.
2/2/2 goes against the idea of freedom/creativity/playing-together-how-you-want that OW debuted with, but it’s not terrible. if the queue times weren’t so abhorrent i don’t think many people would mind.
we should’ve just queued as normal, get into a game, and then choose a role first-come-first-serve. far more efficient than what we have now.
I always thought role queue was terrible and still do to this day.
Sure it reduces the annoyance of getting “3 dps” and one healer, but it also completely kills any creative freedom and creates the queue time issue we have right now…
Laughs in Oceania open queue servers being longer than tank, DPS and support queues combined
Role queue, especially for quick play, was an abysmal idea and affected the servers with lower populations drastically.
Agree with the trimming down of freedom not feeling great, but i dont think they really had a choice. 222 resolved a load of problems not just for the quality of games at the time, but for the entire future of the game.
The problem with first come first served is players queueing up to play their favorite hero and getting locked into a role they dont even like because their PC doesnt load fast enough or someone clicked faster. I can see plenty of players getting annoyed and leaving if that was the case.
no they did have a choice. they always have a choice. if GOATS was dominating every game that much they could’ve tweaked how abilities interact (e.g. inspire)
they just wanted a quick fix for things looking bad in OWL. i admit stacked shields are annoying to deal with, but there’s plenty of characters with shieldbreak that could be utilised as the counters they are - they’re just not le epic POTG generators the majority loves so much. sym/junk etc can cut through sustain or outsustain just fine.
we have to wait 15 minutes to get in a game that lasts under 5, but we don’t have 4DPS sweatfests, so yay!
as opposed to players being thrown pennies to play a role they don’t even like?
plenty of players got annoyed and left in droves because of blizzard’s infamous band aid fixtures. that has led us to today, where even more players get annoyed and leave while waiting in queues.
Ok, yes, they had a choice and they chose to do the thing that was best for the long term of the game.
GOATS wasnt the problem, it was a symptom. High rank players always choose the best comp with the most synergy. The more heroes in the game, the more potential synergies and the more locked down high ranks are when it comes to picking comps.
Big health pools, mitigation and healing are an INCREDIBLY strong synergy, which is why GOATS happened. GOATS didnt have enough DPS players in it - DPS players couldnt play DPS at high ranks, even if they could play DPS to get up there. They had to play different heroes at high ranks that they were potentially had no idea how to play.
They couldnt nerf groups of tanks or healers without making them ineffective if they’re solo tanking or healing.
That said, the tanks/healers werent actually the problem, it was the extreme synergy. 222 reduced the potential for extreme synergy.
Flip side, low rank games didnt have enough synergy or organization, to the point where the quality of the games felt kinda random.
High ranks and low ranks were directly opposed, balance wise.
Yup, long queues suck. To me that says the Bliz guys had to be solving something even bigger and suckier by implementing 222.
But if you want to play in rank full DPS and have a losing streak and finished in bronze, because anybody want to play heal, or tank, just for freedom/creativity/playing-together, it’s your call. And if nobody wants to play together (no call, no combo, no mic etc…), it’s not blizzard fault, but yours.
But hey, you have openqueue in rank or in openquene QP in arcade mode, you can play in there, nobody stops you about that
Was it really the best choice?
Was punishing players who worked well together by forcing them to work well together in a different way really the best idea they could’ve possibly come up with?
Cause right now, with 5v5 and role queue, all they’ve done is create a void for a new comp to dominate as hard as GOATS did.
All a team needs now is:
Rein for the shield and heavy CC ult that decimates any team with Hog, D.va, Junker Queen, Wrecking Ball, Doomfist and Orisa.
Ana for the CC, complete denial of the entire support role and turning the Rein into an unstoppable killing machine.
Echo because second tank and also just a pretty ridiculous DPS in general. Especially an Echo if the enemy team has Rein, because double shield, multiple heavy CC ults and another potential unstoppable killing machine.
Slap in a Baptiste to make the triple threat unkillable or a Mercy to bring back any of the triple threat that do die and/or pocket the Rein or Echo to Heaven, and throw in a DPS that counters the hitscans that would be troublesome for Echo.
because those 20 minute queue times are extremely healthy…
welcome to gaming. it’s pretty sweaty, but doesn’t blizz encourage minmaxing - or at least is ok with it being promoted through OWL metas?
there could have been caps to combined speed/AOE heal. this would’ve changed how abilities stacked without rendering them useless in the event of solo healing. they didn’t have to nerf tanks/supports - if they really wanted to, they could’ve, but nerfing and then shoving us into RQ? what a great deal! /s
losing a lot doesn’t make the decision great. all is means is that it cost you a lot.
you anticipated the result and still thought it was worth it… but it doesn’t mean it was? surely the type of impact (bad) is more important than the size.
sure, we don’t have GOATS… but we do have a dwindling player base who won’t stick around for OW2 if it’s plagued with the same waiting times. and you think the apex/fortnite/valorant kids, whose games give them matches in seconds, will be enticed by this? especially when they can pick whatever compositions/loadouts they want?
Truer words have never been spoken. That’s one of the main reason why I refuse to play rien even when he is probably the most sound choice in a particular map or comp. Because even when he is the most logical choice, that doesn’t always mean you’re going to enjoy your time on him. Regardless of winning or losing, more often than not, you end up feeling like a living punching bag the entire game.
Moreover, without a reliable healer, you can’t really do anything since you lack mobility to go and grab a healthpack with ease unlike winston. As rien, you also lack health regeneration (from blue shield) as well as the utility like sigma’s kinetic grasp to aid with self-sustain in absense of a reliable healer.
It is rare when I actually enjoy my time on rien. The time when I end up enjoying as rien is when my teammates are slightly better than the enemy team. And my co-tank zarya and my supports are hard pocketing me.
There are occasions where I get the desire to play rien out of the blue though. But those desire tends to be short lived and disappear as soon as I start taking damage and feel like a punching bag all over again.
I have to admit though. Rien is probably one of the only tank that comes with so much value from the get go. As rien, you don’t have to do too much and you get so much free value simply by holding W and swinging randomly. Not saying he is OP but it’s so much easier to get value out of rien compared to other tanks. But other tanks have a higher ceiling of potential value that can be obtained the more skilled you get at them. So I guess you could say that reinhardt is a little bit like moira in that regard value-wise.
Yeah, they could have done all kind of weird capping rules, but then they have to explain the rules, it’d get complicated - individual heroes would have different power depending on the other heroes in the team. People would blame their team for not picking what they need, the world would end, blah blah.
I guess what i’m saying is sometimes there are nasty problems with no good solution, so they have to pick the least bad one. You have to consider how player’s will react to your solution alongside what you’ll fix with it.
Its the trolley problem - if the train is heading to hit 5 people and you can switch tracks, but you can switch tracks and only hit 4, what do you do?
