According to my research....[Brigitte discussion]

And I think you hit the nail on the head here. The game now forces you to play a style that a lot of people are uncomfortable with. The game shouldn’t force you to do any of that it should be balanced and fluid not force you to do something you don’t like.

This means that 1 hero can control the entirety of the game. And this is where that word “unbalance” comes in.

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I just don’t see that happing. In my experience, Brid walking headfirst into a group is just gonna die fast. Although I did take a point with 1.2 seconds to win once. That was exciting. I wasn’t solo though, I press Q and rush as group.

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This has been true for every hero change we’ve seen in the past yet it’s only a problem for you now?

The name of the game is to adapt and change if you are countered. Brigitte isn’t strong at the high tiers of the game. Balance shouldn’t occur at the bottom, you don’t balance the game towards the worst players.

I see your point but why is it okay for veteran heroes to change around 1 heroe were as it should be the complete opposite?

Shouldn’t Brid mains have to adapt to the rest of the game? Rather than the rest of the game adapting to around Brid? She is one of the newest heroes and she counters a good portion of all heroes.

So why it’s a problem now? My friends and I spent a good deal of our time perfecting our gameplay and with the introduction of Brid, we basically have to relearn the game again. People should not re-adapt and relearn the game over 1 hero. The newest hero should have to learn to play around the rest of us.

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Pardon me if I don’t keep up splitting our discussion, I’m getting lazy xD

Let me say that I am not trying to bring you on Brigitte’s side, every1 has some characters he doesn’t want to face off and considers too frustrating to deal with (I’m not a fan of Sniper Mei for example). But treating her like she is this OP being it’s just wrong.

She is strong, no doubt but even the pros changed their initial opinion of her after the first week and half she was played in OWL. Statistically she isn’t over the top either and I guess that it all comes down to how the teams play.

The last thing I want to say is about what you previously wrote about Soldier 76. Unfortunately for him, in this game all the metas are defined by very specialistic characters which means jack-of-all-trades as him will be a wasted spot. I think though that the latest buff has given him a good boost.

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If the game had been like it is now from the start, I never would have bought it.

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Uhm, I don’t think you understand how game design works. By its very nature when you introduce something new in the system, the system reacts to it. This is inherently true statement in any situation :rofl:

Brigitte is a pub stomper and strong against bad players with poor positioning. Just like Symmetra was. Symmetra was absolute god in low tiers and punished bad players heavily. And once you get in gold she becomes super weak to the point that she was absolutely useless above gold. Yeah, I made her work in diamond but even I knew that the odds were against me - regardless that Sym is my favorite hero.

Plenty of ways to counter her. I mean dude, you are in silver - you literally have no good hitscan players in silver. Play Pharmercy and dominate :rofl: Pharmercy destroys Brigitte.

Your post essentially boils down to you crying about how you don’t want to adapt and get good and learn new skills and deal with new situations. Sorry mate, that’s life.

OWL is the real litmus test - and she is not broken in OWL where they play vanilla Briggitte without the nerfs. Mercy’s original Valk was broken and you saw it in the league by her being an absolute must pick. The game should be balanced around the top of players, not the bottom.

Brigitte is not OP, just people that don’t want to accept their favorite hero now has counters and don’t want to adapt. Again, sorry that’s on you.

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You know what I don’t get why is Blizzard not giving HER a rework instead of Symmetra or Torb.
Shieldbash was the dumbest idea possible not only does the stun last too long its also too easy to pull off.
Remove the ability or change it so it does more damage but not stun everyone and their mother.

Maybe because Brig is fine, Tracer needs a counter and Sym and Torb are absolute F tier heroes. Shield bash is awesome and it does its intended job.

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Yes she is fine but as it was explained she is ruining the game. What does it matter if she is balanced but it is not fun to play against her?
Roaghog got changed for the exact same reason why not Brigitte.

Brigitte didn’t create anything, Hanzo is the meta changer.

I really don’t understand why people associate “not fun to play against “ with “it’s op plz nerf”, what if I would not believe Brigitte is Op but at the same time I m thinking that is not a fun character to play against, who s ruining the game and most of all the new player experience ? Have the devs ever thought about new players when they designed her ?

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Eh Brig has just as many weaknesses as anyone else.

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shield bash has never been so anoying to me cause you know i dont walk up to the melee heroes face practically begging for her to smash my skull in.

what i find more anoying is sniper watch getting sniped across the map at any time or being turned into porcupine by hanzos no skill storm spam.

You forgot “I’m a support-tank hybrid!”

She’s not just a support. That’s why she has the shield to bash people with.

I’ve always enjoyed playing against her since she first came out. I’ve only recently tried her out myself, in the past my only experience with her was fighting against her.

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I’m sorry if I was a little too aggressive.

Perhaps it’s because I main Reaper, but honestly Brigitte’s entire kit completely suppresses Reaper, so I might be more towards the Brigitte is OP side.

That being said, I think she’s much better in her current state. 7s stun and 100 armor are certainly more manageable. The only thing I have against it isthe concept of being able to stun someone while remaining relatively safe, which strikes me as not very fair nor fun.

As for 76, I think he was in a pretty good spot in the 20-damage period, but that being said, a jack-of-all-trade character being exceptionally poor and rarely picked strikes me as a little odd. I mean, it’s a jack of all trades. He should have more than a marginally percent over Bastion and Torb, but we can probably let the newest damage falloff buffs settle first

You weren’t too aggressive, I just want to make it clear that I wasn’t either and that I respected the view of some1 who struggles against her.

I’ve never opposed any nerf that has been done to Brigitte so far, I didn’t think they were necessary but I see the other side of the matter. Also yeah, Reaper must be incredibly careful because he either finds her occupied and distracted or he can die pretty easily.

About Mr. Morrison… as I said, small teams (and 6 ppl is a small team when you need 2/2/2 to work) needs heavily specilized characters to be incisive. This is why Mercy and Moira will never fall in pickrate.

Let me ask you people who say brig is op: How do you nerf hyper mobility without nerfing hyper mobility? Introduce something that makes hyper mobility very hard, “but she counts 18/28 of the the rooster…” okay so…you would be fine with your supposed “fun” and “skillful” heros getting huge mobility nerfs so that copious amounts of cc are not needed to deal with arguably the worst characters to play against? No?

Alright so cc is needed… hard ccs that force mobile heros to stop and think rather then bum-rushing the defenseless supports killing them and walking away as if you won a trophy, just so happens a downside is countering every non-mobile hero (huh who to thunk it mobility is over powered :thinking:).

“Skilled” mobility counters don’t work otherwise Mcree would be very effective in the high tiers but again because of all the mobility Mcree doesn’t do anything, so you have to have easy ccs to you know… stop mobility.

TL:DR: Want Brig gone? Mobility needs nerfs (not mobile heros mobility in general), Otherwise Brig will remain being the way to stop mobility.

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make brig unplayably bad would be the only way to fix OW now. she is cansir