2-2-2 Ended it all

DrDangerRuss-2439 · July 11, 2021, 2:32pm

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DrDangerRuss:

Unfortunately, your statement was phrased as a statement, not an opinion.

You appear to be unaware but the abbreviation IMO means “in my opinion”. Thus the statement was phrased as an opinion, not a statement of fact.

Your statement that role queue “increased the average quality of games” is a statement of opinion yet it is phrased as if it is a fact.

Removal of many team compositions is a negative in my opinion as it removes variety and a change of pace and style from one game to the next.

It removes strategic depth and replaces it with spoonfed structure.

DrDangerRuss:

Could you please qualify the extremity of “many many many players who prefer role-less queue” with evidence, as i think we both know very well that such evidence does not exist?

One could look at any of the many threads on the topic including this one where many participants have expressed that opinion.

DrDangerRuss:

While i do enjoy it when people intentionally misunderstand words such as “unsupported”, it is a little tedious. Unsupported means the devs are not investing time in it specifically and are just letting it sit there ignored.

Fortunately open queue is not ignored.

It has received priority queue support in the case of leavers.

It has also received cross-play support.

In order for it to exist it must be supported in multiple ways many of which you have brought up yourself previously in my threads that in the past you followed me around in regards to this topic. In fact this was part of your justification for opposing it.

The Case For The Removal Of Role Queue

How are competitive points distributed?

How does this affect the SR system? How do the devs maintain 2 completely separate SR systems at the same time? How is that affected by analytics?

How does this affect level design? Systems design? Social design?

DrDangerRuss:

Various balance changes and other systems (such as tickets) have been focused around 222, while OQ has received nothing. Why is this not true?

A broken system needs fixes whereas a functional one does not. Unsurprising.

DrDangerRuss:

These are real problems:

No, these are imaginary problems.

Which means they can be addressed by education.

In compositions in which tanks/healers are weak the player should not play them.

The player is expected to swap and/or adapt if the situation is too difficult. Fortunately he is given 32 heroes to choose from to aid in this endeavour.

Games where a player has to tackle the responsibility of their role alone can still occur as the fact that a player is on a role is no guarantee that he will perform the stated duties

The feeling of being forced can be tackled by emphasising that the player is not forced, that other compositions can work perfectly fine and if this is not the case the game should be designed in this way with the most popular role heavily featured in any composition.

Throwing is a reportable offence. A ban solves this.

You may also get something worse in RQ where you have two players who only know how to play Reinhardt in the tank role. They might know how to play several of the damage characters but they are prevented from being able to play them. Hence you are left with a similar if not worse dilemma.

MrNegotiator:

We’re not gonna repeat this discussion

But you’re going to pretend that “Allowing players to choose their preferred mode” is a design failure.

MrNegotiator:

In Overwatch though, it has been an absolute failure, so much though that the devs got completely rid of it for months.

MrNegotiator:

Unless there has been any news in the meantime, their stance on the matter officially is that, and I (roughly) quote: “It is possible that Competitive Open Queue may not return in Overwatch 2”.

This is not a “quote”. That is not how a quote works.

MrNegotiator:

Do you perhaps have any more info on this survey? What questions did it contain in general?

At this time I seek more information.

I am not aware of the questions that were asked in the detailed survey.

I imagine it was to do with impressions of OW2.

I believe MegaDodo can answer his/her posts and doesnt need your protection.