This. I have a friend that always plays the overtuned new heroes and swears theyre not OP. He’s sort of a hog and its a bit immature, which is why i dont play with him much. Valeera’s kit is perfect for the roll she is meant to fill. She picks off stragglers, junglers, and people running away from a team fight with little health.
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What does valeera have to do with this thread though…?
This is about Zeratul.
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Nice try hail, the text where it was discussing about Valeera went into stealth mode.
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Zeratul does more damage because he doesn’t have a stun, he can’t do damage when he himself locks down heroes. Yes requires a team composition to be strong.
If someone is giving you grief as Zeratul versus Valeera in league. You need to learn to counter him, or get someone in your party to do it so you can reap the reward.
Again though Zera hinders the team, like Samuro, because he’s limited and stealth is an escape. So roots not only are how Zeratul lands great kills. It’s also how you counter him. Deckard, Malfurioin and any other hero that can stun are how you take him down.
Believe me when you touch him. Much like Samuro, he falls over.
The strongest Stealthy atm is Nova and second is Valeera especially if you use her silence to counter an all ability damage team. She’s even the counter to Alarak.
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do you really need a stun when you have that many blinks?
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Yes, because he swings slower than Valeera and Samuro.
He has almost the same attack rate as Nova and he’s melee.
Lol
What make him really different is he has shorter CD’s and you know how you can beat him? Spell shields, Stuns, Roots and my personal favourite Silence.
Edit: That’s why Zeratul does the damage he does. Against the wrong party he’s almost useless and sadly he can cost your team. A great mid pick, but certainly not a good first.
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You don’t believe me, but she has range, ability and AA damage. She’s stealth and has a great escape that’s natural.
However, if she’s a first pick, she’s going to get countered easily just like Zera. Valeera, if you play her right has tones of escape, and with the right ult makes a fantastic dive hero.
She even can silence!
With a team she’s lethal and alone against the right target she can own it. Including Zeratul.
However she is not, in no way able to solo every hero in the game same with Zera.
Is Zera strong in his own right, sure, but against a good Kerrigan, or Illidan. Smart mage. He’s useless. He shines in team fights, but any stealthy does.
Edit: Slows even hinder Zera, but with blinks he can pounce often. Most fights have a slow, and if it’s the opposite team, well that’s what synergies with him.
Singularity Spike has a slow, it’s not a stun, but it is a slow and it’s ranged, if you can’t juke the range attack. You deserve to be deleted.
Base linr he has 2. One of those is only a way back in, with worm hole he has 3. On is only a way back in and one is a delayed back out. At 20 he has at max a wapping 4, and he gives up a ton of damage to do it.
Like has been said many times, he does nothing until level 7 and is not dangerous until level 16. There are many more assassins that are far more deadly and deadly at level 1.
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Hahahahahahahaha good joke, Valeera is anything but burst
Er valeera with sister strike build hits like a truck mid late game.
I remember seeing wubby bully the whole ladder with her.
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Zeratul’s in the early game is a really lackluster hero, he can’t approach anyone without setting up an ambush or with help from team which often results in no chance of damage.
Zeratul’s seeker puts a sign on the target saying “I am going to blink to you” a Kael can stun him and deny his dmg, Jaina can ice block, both of them can also burst him back to the void in a second. Anyone with cc can aim it near the seeker target and often get good results. So it is very much high risk except for some 1v1s.
In a tight corner with Hanzo, you can one shot a lot of the roster with a well placed scatter, deleting heroes in a second and it takes arguably equal amounts of skill to aim in a corner and using motn.
Assasins are supposed to be able to kill lone squishy targets, if it was tracer, she could kill you with a clip, melee and bomb in late game, genji stuffs you with two shingans and a swift strike and hanzo is also dead, valeera could silence hanzo and kill him while he’s still silenced and make herself unstoppable while doing so. The list goes on and a squishy shouldn’t be splitting much in the late game. If you lost the team fight, zera merely picked up an extra. Do you also see his mana bar? He uses rewind twice and he has to hearth.
Zeratul does a lot of damage with a lot of mobility in the late game but he still needs watch cds on cc, invulnerability, healing, mobility to execute his combo without getting 1 stun killed as he needs to be melee.
The seeker talent makes it very obvious how he’s going to engage, stay close to your team.
Zeratul shouldn’t be nerfed anymore, the w build is far from uninteractive comparmed to e q e 1 q r cleave build putting team on stasis and killed which needed nerfs and got nerfed.
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