Zagara was a force to be reckoned with even before the recent patch. I’m sure the character is rough in ARAM settings too.
Although let’s be REAL here: ARAM is the CASUAL mode. The matches are shorter in duration and in a confined space, strategy limited as a result and, last but not least: You aren’t even allowed to pick the characters you want.
Point is, chill out. Only foolish players get upset over ARAM. It’s SUPPOSED to be the light-hearted, casual mode. Now unless it’s a situation like with Hammer, where a character has a very above average advantage due to their playstyle? Otherwise hero’s should remain.
But they do. Because people treat every mode like it was ranked. Maybe 4 years ago when you had to find a groupe in ARAM channel people were more relaxed.
Now you are lucky if you even get a team that dont care if they win or lose in ARAM as long they have fun. People are way too try hard in ARAM. I even see a player on EU who ask for 60% winrate/Diamond players to join his groupe and try hard ARAM lol
Like who try hard ARAM these days man.
That time is long gone friend. My last ARAM game my team got death threated by toxic Maltheal player just because we lost.
Time has changed. Playerbase is more toxic then ever and only gets ampified by report system.
Where is exactly written that ARAM is a mod for fun?
Devs got what they wanted by starting balancing ARAM. If it remained truly a clown mode with all it’s flaws then nobody would care. But once you start removing stuff for “being too clowny, OP or whatever”, it wont stop. Why should players expect it to be clown mode when devs themselves do not consider it as such?
As it is, you could apply this to all the game modes in the game. It is foolish to get upset over QM, Unranked Draft, ARAM, vsAI or SL. It is all just a video game after all, meant for enjoyment. Nothing that happens in any gamemode actually has any real consequences. Even if you’re playing ranked, becoming upset and flaming/blaming people is foolish.
Says only the people who treat it as such.
There are people who mostly play ARAM. Or only play ARAM. To them, it’s not a light hearted casual mode. Sure, it’s not ranked, but having people who are literally doing intentionally stupid, throwing moves ‘just cause it’s ARAM’ or having people tell them that any idea of balancing concerns for ARAM is stupid because ‘it’s just ARAM’ is just wrong to them.
There is a difference between try harding (still a dumb, weird phrase/insult to me) and playing it seriously.
Like, is it okay for a Leoric, if he was still available in ARAM, to suicide against forts because it’s just ARAM?
One time I had this Mei on Industrial map. She immediately went to smash the gate leading into the enemy base. She then “snuck” behind the enemy keep and core, a bit upwards of there, and stayed there for about 5-6 minutes, just waiting for minions to spawn so she could kill them up there, leaving the rest of us to fight 4v5. Until she eventually killed herself or got taken out by someone on the enemy team who finally felt like killing her.
Was that fine too, seeing as it’s just “light-hearted casual ARAM?”
Is it too much to ask that people don’t turn off their brain intentionally and “fool around” or start afking or feeding, because to them it’s just ARAM?
This. Some people just really prefer the single-lane paradigm with all team fights all the time without the tedium. The game isn’t balanced around it, but that doesn’t mean severe outliers can’t be removed.
Wrong. Because of (1) thing: The other modes let you pick your frakin’ CHARACTERS.
Any mode that forces a very limited, and random selection on you? When no one is outside to pick their main out outside of pure luck of the draw? That mode simply cannot be taken seriously. End of discussion.
In short, only the mentally handicapped get upset over ARAM. In which case, put them on ignore and keep playing.
I don’t see why that matters, it’s still just a game, it’s still just stuff for fun. To begin with, in both Unranked Draft and SL, you don’t “get to pick your character” with all that much freedom anywho, atleast depending on your level of intended teamwork. Your intended pick could get stolen or banned or you could end up having to heal or tank and so on. And your preferable picks for those roles could be bad for the current matchup.
Also you have the choice of random hero in QM.
I don’t see why “being able to choose your hero” is a qualifier for whether a mode a clown mode or not. That’s just nonsense.
Especially to people like me who are well versed in nearly all heroes.
*Anyone who gets upset over a game. Really. Flying off the handle at strangers because of a game? Pathetic. But to you, it’s okay if it’s in a “serious” mode? And not okay in ARAM?
^^ Anyone resorting to this kind of tactic in an argument, automatically has none. You’re almost as bad as the Disney star wars apologists, attempting to whole-sale dismiss all criticism their terrible movies get.
Aka: “It’s Space Wizards with laser swords for kids. Now stop pointing out how bad our movies are!”
Yes. Simply because ARAM doesn’t allow anyone to pick their characters freely. I could never be that hard on someone doing badly in an ARAM match because, for all i know, they’ve never played that character before.
Ironically you’re using the exact same argument for ARAM. I was just branching the same argument to the other modes.
Congratulations, you just played yourself.jpeg
But why is it okay to be flaming them if they chose their heroes? You just sound like a toxic flamer who weirdly puts a big emphasis on whether a person choose a hero or not.
I used the same argument you used against ARAM, but applied it to all modes, and worded a little differently. You then say that saying that is basically having no argument. And then you say that I’m digging myself a hole.
While you were also ignoring large parts of my post.
I have better things to do than waste time on you. Welcome to ignore list!
no the percentage dmg is fine it s just a bit too high compared to other heroes but it s also one of zagaras only outstanding features and u have to be lvl 16 first, she has no real burst dmg otherwise
heroes like chromie, ktz, kt or azmo are much more annoying once u properly take care of her summons
800 hp at lvl 16 is nothing azmo, valla or kt for example can easily take care of them with similar cds
my argument stands that it isnt rly a problem of zagara and her summons but it s a problem of player skill and hero pick decision.
if u know that zagara is such a big problem in modes like aram encourage ur team to pick aoe heroes and ask them to take care of those roaches past 16
there r also some other heroes without aoe which can easily take care of those roaches regardless if zagara is spamming them or not which is also very mana intensive
The main issue with her % damage is there’s 4-5 units of hers which are dealing that % damage. That’s 1.75*4 (or 5) which = 7% health damage (or 8.75%)…nobody has that level of % damage in the game and by time the Roachlings and Hydra die off; they’ve already bursted someone to death or nearly to death so they have to retreat. Zagara might be squishy but due to the insane damage you can’t just focus her down or kill her summons off in time.
Instead, I’d like to see Roachlings get a 30% baseline HP buff, Hydra get a 40% baseline HP buff and the percent damage lowered from 1.75% to 1.15%. This would help balance her while offsetting the significant damage reduction by letting her summons not die in 0.1 seconds so they can reach similar numbers as currently over an extended period of time.
I’d also tweak her Roachling quest to require significantly less hits with the drop-in so it’s actually obtainable. Currently, it’s almost impossible to complete that quest without a CC spam team to enable you (Maw’s cooldown is too high for her to set up combos to finish the quest - this isn’t saying Maw needs a cooldown reduction…it doesn’t).
The Baneling buff really pushed ARAM Zagara from a fast moving, auto-attacking minion spammer to a stationary Baneling birthing machine. She can destroy walls, forts and keeps from outside your screen range, all the while not moving an inch. You can’t really counter the constant barrage of banelings hitting your structures, since the damage they deal is high enough that you don’t want to constantly jump in front of them, and skills that help block them (minion summons, Tass wall etc.) have such long cooldowns.
I thought percentage damage at 16 was bad before, although still manageable, but this is just something else. She can easily out DPS all the former S-tier ARAM DPS heroes just by spamming Q constantly. The only heroes currently having a chance of reliably reaching the same damage seem to be Mephisto (whose damage is build & enemy comp dependent) and Valla (if she can stack Multishot high enough, so also enemy comp dependent). She currently has ~65% winrate in all listed ARAM maps in Heroesprofile.
In the handful of matches I’ve played, a Baneling Zagara always has crazy high top siege damage, and most of the time also the top hero damage. She can stand still and win random ARAM duels just through the power of Banelings and auto attacks. If she gets outnumbered, she can usually retreat easily due to the creep movement speed buff. If she’s smart and picks Nydus, she can easily outheal any poke damage done to her by Chromie/Azmo/Ming or any other long range heroes.
I’ve both played her and played against her in multiple ARAM matches after the buffs. She is currently unfun to play against, and boring to play as. There’s no tactic to playing Baneling build other than pressing Q while aiming towards the enemy team.
actually it s 3-4, 2-3 roaches depending if she finished her quest or not and the hydralisk
so it s 5,25%/ 7% which is still a lot and i already pointed that out somewhere, it isnt op though since u can handle this with basic playstyle
yes no one has that much percent dmg, those roaches cant be controlled though and summons can easily be killed to deny that dmg. also only few assa-heroes have weaker skill dmg than zagara
also summons shouldnt be ignored so i could agree with a reduction to 1,5% for now followed by another 0,25% reduction if it isnt enough