Obviously this is done so that people won’t intentionally feed or ruin games. Anecdotally, this doesn’t work. I get people who troll and leave frequently.
Instead, this turns the entire experience into a lottery. It has quickly become apparent that the best way to get out of leaver queue is to leave as the game starts, do something fruitful with your life for ten or twelve minutes while a bot plays for you, and then come back as the game ends. While this won’t increase the odds of victory, it decreases the time you spend playing games in leaver queue overall.
I am in the leaver queue for abandoning a ranked game during the drafting phase of what was to be a bad game with terrible composition.
I lost this game. https://i.imgur.com/9IyHxAT.png (Normal links don’t work for some reason?)
This is generally true. Except trolls can get carried and leavers can reconnect at the end of games, as I’ve taken to doing. And people who intentionally ruin games or ignore objectives, who aren’t in the leaver queue, won’t get put in the leaver queue. While I agree with you, I doubt the disparity is as high as people imagine.
So in a leaver game, when two of my teammates play to win, and two play to screw around and that costs us a victory, you think it’s acceptable that the two exhibiting good behaviour not have that game count toward getting out of the leaver queue? Even if they’re there for dodging at the draft pick?
Doesn’t matter. they’ll be in there for a lot longer than everyone else. And every player like you who wants to win will report them, and eventually they’ll be suspended.
Yes, because the alternative is those players being in regular games forever, because all they’d need to do is throw two games to go back to regular queue. So you would meet them even more often.
Sure. I mean I personally find it interesting that you’re fine with punishment that targets at least as many healthy players as it does unhealthy ones. But that’s your prerogative.
That screenshot was not of the game that I left while in draft. That was a game in the leaver queue afterwards that did not count toward getting me out of leaver queue because, in spite of my performance, my team lost.
Personally, what I take from this is that, unless you are so incredibly gifted as to either inspire a bunch of strangers to want to win or be able to 1v5 a game, your chance at getting out of the leaver queue is basically a lottery (although, really it’s ultimately fixed by the design of the matchmaking).
I don’t know what you mean by this. I gave an example of a game in the leaver queue where two teammates behave well and two do not. I asked if it was acceptable to punish those who behave well because they’re on a team with those who do not behave well. And you said “Yes, because the alternative…”. It punishes good behaviour because you don’t get out of leaver queue by remaining in games, you get out by being fortunate enough to be placed in a team that wants to win.
Dodging is punished as leaving, so you deserve to be in the leaver queue.
I don’t see the problem: if you don’t want to be there, stop dodging.
In the end you’re wasting more time by having to exit the leaver’s queue than to play and (probably) lost a “bad drafted” game. And you also lose 600 ranked point for leaving it.
This sounds like a non-sequitur. It sounds like you’re saying, given that “[d]odging is punished as leaving”, therefore those who dodge ought “to be in the leaver queue”. But maybe I’m misunderstanding you.
Evidently. At the time, I had no idea beforehand that I would get leaver status for leaving at hero selection or that I lose rank points.
LOL NOT true at all . if the said troll gets stuck in leavers , all they do is create another Hots account . it only takes 10 mins to create another account it takes days to get out of leavers. what do u think they will do ?
Who cares? No one takes this game seriously anymore, and they shouldn’t have to begin with. It’s not even a good moba. It’s only redeeming feature is that is has some interesting characters from other interesting games. Other than that, you may as well go play a better game. All I use this garbage for is wasting time. I can do that in leaver games just as easy as “good” games, which there is no such thing outside of high level play with a minority of frantic graspers trying to make this relevant again.
It’s not a good MOBA because it’s not a MOBA.
This game is not meant to be taken seriously. Because video games are games. They are meant to be played. They are meant to be played for hours and hours. But, seriously? What are you, a gamer boy?
There are a lot of skilled players in a lot of ranks. People are having fun. You don’t get to play with those people because who would want to play with you? You get to play with what you deserve. You have to pay tribute to Elune if you want to play a good game.
The game is not free.
You are a skilled player and there are people that want to be skilled like you. It is your job to teach them how to play, and be their friend.
If you can’t do that, then you can’t pay to play this game.
You may continue to play it as long as you live.
But you will be used as fuel for the game by orders of the Shadow Council.
Not a very good argument considering Blizzard tried to make it its flagship competitive esport game with million dollar prizes, and that dozens of esports teams were formed to compete in it, and that’s not even unique to this game. Implying video games are just mindless wastes of time like it was the 90’s, or earlier, is so far from the truth now that you must be sleeping under a rock. People make a living off of this kind of thing. That hots failed in this environment just shows you how “good” of a game this really is, which is not much, considering Blizzard doesn’t even care about it anymore.
I’d argue the only thing that drives people to play it is that these people have some sort of connection to Blizzard, through nostalgia or just fans of their games, and this is an interesting way to experience a variety of lore in 20 minutes. The forum is littered with discontent over content changes to the game, or lack thereof. Whatever fans this game has is slowly dwindling. Any “skill” you gain from this game is absolutely worthless.
I didn’t say mindless and I didn’t say they couldn’t be used by skilled people to have competitions.
I said they are not supposed to be taken seriously.
Esports are not something serious.
Baseball and basketball are not something serious. They are ball games. The players take serious their job, which is the training… But they don’t take the game seriously, they love the game, and love is not serious, it’s love and it’s everything, and they would die for the game. But that has nothing to do with getting all serious about something like if it was a thing that needs to be solved because omg omg i can’t bare the pain.
Good argument? “I’d argue”? Why would you argue about a video game? What is wrong with you? Gosh… I’m a person, a player like you, and I was trying to help you. Because I see that you are crying, and I don’t want you to cry, I want you to have fun, because life is fun and people are great and they want to hug you, but it seems that you don’t want free cotton candy.
It’s not about nostalgia. And it’s not that people are Blizzard fans. It’s just that people have friend lists in the Bnet app. Blizzard wanted to make this game esports… That doesn’t mean that the creators of the game wanted that or even the players.
Mechanical skill, reaction skill… Whatever you mean by skill for video games is not a skill. Stop seeing every word like if someone is attacking you, if you feel attacked is because it is hitting you, it doesn’t mean is meant to be that. It’s just the way you feel it.
The game is for people, real people from the real world that want to play games and have fun, and this doesn’t mean they don’t care about winning and learning and be good and stuff. It just means that they want to do it as people, not as gamer boys.
When people say “argue”, as in “I’d argue”, "they mean to make a point in an argument; they don’t mean quarrel. It’s like when you say that people don’t take games seriously. That’s you making an argument. That doesn’t necessarily mean people are screaming at each other and being dramatic. It just means that a claim is being made and probably disputed in a conversation.
I’m pretty sure you’re acting silly to get a reaction, but I don’t think it’s common (or healthy or encouraged) for people to die for games. (And if they did, they would probably be taking the game too seriously.)
I don’t know what definition of “serious” you’re working with. I think in this context, to everyone else, suggesting that someone take a game seriously is to suggest that they play to win it. If you go into a game of monopoly or poker or basketball with no intention of winning, people generally won’t want to play with/against you.
Leave queue has almost no matchmaker. This skyrockets its toxicity, compelling people to leave games more than they did before, and then these same players re-enter normal queue with reinvigorated toxic behavior.
That’s right. A system designed to punish toxicity acts as it’s most effective amplifier.
lol