You have a great concept for a MOBA and like any other aspect of PVP… balance is an issue. Now I get there will never be a perfect balance, but their should be limits to the amount of cc one person does or damage one person does.
Why is your solution to add an extra ban to league? Why can’t we get some developers in there to actually play the game, because I see a lot of potential heroes every patch just get put on a bench because no one wants to balance them out. Instead you rework a hero and make them super powerful or rework a hero that actually worked(zeratul was fine, now he is complete garbage unless you like to blink kill all game long) and turn the balance upside down.
How many heroes I rarely see in games? You have the tools to see the stats. You have these random surveys that make no sense. Give me a 5 question survey asking about balance, composite, fun, the hero I played, and the map.
You will get a hell of a better idea on which heroes need work and which maps worked and which comps need to be balanced out if that survey was given after every game and stored in a data base!! Fix the game and you will fix the people that ruin the game!!
When you are a gold level player you really should stop focusing on things out of your control and start focus on yourself and get better. I just see git gud issues every single day on this forum…
Because players had been requesting it for a long time.
The devs play the game.
Yeah. And your view is biased towards your play style, favourite heroes and strategies, and given that you do not have the raw data regarding talent picks, win rates per map, vs. certain heroes, etc. And that you’re not in constant comunicatoin with the comunity, your judgement is most likely wrong.
Zeratul is the one stealth hero that has been consistently good forever. You’re just bad at the game.
See buddy, the thing is that you’re not really an important person. I know, I know, you probably think you are, but you’re really not. You are one among millions of players, and since it’s not reasonable that blizz qualitatively reads 5 answers per user per survey and try to put it all together, and there is no reason why should be a special case, because, again, you’re not important.
No, they would get your opinion. Which again, is not really that important.
Protip: Instead of saying “X is Op/Up”, try asking…
“How do I deal with X?”
or “How do I use Y?”
If, and only if you get several responses along the lines of “I don’t know, this is a problem for me too”. Then you can start considering balance is a problem. Not before.
Simple answer: it’s not.
The balance is pretty good actually.
Zeratul is literally disgusting in high level plays at the moment.
But how do I make it not my fault without claiming OP/UP? I need my safe space and participation trophy.
Because it’s too much of a casual game.
So 6 people disagree… thanks for your input. You just overstated how important every customer is to this game from an elitist point of view, which is not important at all. You obviously are ignorant to databases… so I get ignorance is bliss. Thank you. The game will keep getting worse as blizz keeps adding more heroes to the game!! And what part of heroes getting benched do you not understand??? You are telling me it is balanced, but there are so many heroes I never see played!! Mind numbing the clientele blizzard gets now!! I do apologize for not posting often for you people that have no life and can sit on the threads and give your useless responses to people that actually have a valid idea!! The problem is it’s that I see multiple posts about the imbalances of this game and you just sit there and look at my profile like league is my choice of game. I don’t have hours and hours to give to league like you kids do!!
Every line of your response from this point is deriding anyone that didn’t inherently agree with you, which is about as ‘elitist’ as it gets: I’m right, everyone else is inferior or has some crippling issue on why they’re doing something I don’t do; that’s not a worthwhile position to have and is far more indicative of impulsive defensive mechanism akin to ‘mind numbing’ response. Pretty much seems like you didn’t bother to read what you wrote yourself, so well, why should anyone else?
Regardless of posting here frequently or not, how and what a person says is indicative of a number of things – in terms of persuasive writing, you could view this as the potential to build rapport from first impressions – which can convey experience, knowledge, interest, an so on.
Of the two posts you’ve given, you’ve demonstrated you’re more likely to blame anything else that doesn’t suit you. However, the crux of your complaint is generic fluff. “Give me a survey that asks if a hero is a problem!!?!?!?”
Yea, that’s not actually helpful. “Indicate with a smiley face your impression of a hero?” That’s not going to indicate where specific issues may lie, nor would your own specific personal encounter with heroes; anecdotal evidence is anecdotal and people are more prone to bias in the perception and remembered skewed details. If a person is unhappy cuz an ally was terrible with a hero, a better player was enabled with a team comp to shine, or a myriad of other factors, that essentially, your post doesn’t even remotely take into consideration.
You suggest that you’d be great at conveying stuff if people listened to you, but then you well, give 0 specifics or any supporting reason to suggesting listening to you on top of an idea that demonstrates a lack of experience, a limitation of perspective, and not enough patience to care why any of that matters. Couple that with the impulsive reply you gave trying to act like your generalized inane monologue is more than tripe and it pretty much conveys the issues you’re complaining about are more self-induced than not, esp when the idea has to follow that apparently only lifeless children are the only sort that wouldn’t agree with you.
Thing is though, you tone would be more indicative of the sort of response one would expect from an unhappy kid who lacks the focus, experience and education to better compose themselves and not lash-out so blindly. In fact, that sort of response would be more akin to someone trying to hide or compensate for something, esp when fueled by guilty or needless offense if they’re otherwise spoiled and expect similar treatment all the time.
So here’s the thing: is your concern the amount of damage/cc a hero does or the person? Cuz it seems to me how you phrased some of the OP may suggest you’re not as keen on distinguishing between a player doing well compared to the usual performance of a particular hero. If you think a 5 question survey given to you personally after every game is going to be worthwhile feedback, I’m gonna think you don’t have much firsthand experience in giving or receiving feedback.
I would like OP to please read, re-read, annotate and summarize Xenterex’s post in at least three paragraphs as a prerequisite for any further commentary in this thread as I don’t think that, following their post, anything else really matters anymore
Game balance is pretty good. It’s the most balanced it’s been in a long time, so much so that North America has even exploded recently into a completely different meta from international, made possible by being at a point where the relevant contributions from each category of Support, Tank, Bruiser, offlane and Assassin seem to be close enough that they can almost be creatively substituted for one another to form frankensteins. It’s a magical time for NA HGC, and will hopefully make a lot of space to open up the way they think about this game and what is and isn’t true about the meta, and game balance.
You said zeratul now is “garbage”, I think nothing to telling with you, Zeratul now very good, he more using in high rank and HGC
We aren’t all gold level players. Game balance should be concerned with the top level and the bottom level. No you can’t balance them both perfectly, but you shouldn’t have massive disparities between them causing certain heroes to be really OP in a very casual setting while being ‘balanced’ in a professional setting.
Man, those pros complaining for years about the same exact things as us must actually be Gold players, right?
A relatively well stated thread, OP. Notice the haughty responses you immediately received, which intended to deride your post based on whatever your hero league status currently is. Classic emotional responses to a reasonable point of contention with the game’s management.
“why is the game so grossly unbalanced?”
I recommend you watch: Perfect Imbalance - Why Unbalanced Design Creates Balanced Play - Extra Credits
It’s explaining the perfect imbalance of MOBA games, from way back, before HotS was even released. Still applies.
Imo, Blizzard is doing great.
I’d guess you could call Heroes balance “good” if you are okay with heroes like Thrall remaining useless.
Wtf, Thrall is a really good hero with really good different builds.
You can endevour to both be a good player and point out obvious flaws in the system too. There’s always room to get better, always ways to hedge your bets… but is it fair that otherwise seasoned players are inexplicably grouped with players who have limited in-game knowledge and very poor mechanics? What’s the explanation for a player like that being in Platinum?
Why can I smurf a character into Plat 1, climb to Diamond 5 and hold my own there with a 52% win rate, when my main is in Silver 4?
My buddy who I introduced to the game last year played Quick Matches with me, did okay, and got placed in Gold 3 when he did ranked. I constantly had to coach him while we were playing. He mostly just played support and did what I said, yet placed a full tier higher than me. What kind of sense does that make?
The games ranked system has always been deeply, deeply flawed.