Why is here and there so unpopular?

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Chromie

Imo dont need iceblock vs most heroes if you face divers. You can just tp to the other spot

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In my experience, your clones just arent in the best position all the time. There are a couple of cheeky things you can do but overall the other 2 talents are just more consistent.
It is great against hooks and pulls tho.

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Because throwing balls is easier than throwing sands.

Also this:

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Here and There talent is not even that good anymore now after its global range got removed.

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i tend to stand next to my q’s for better dmg. I also never go q quest. Its probably better in many cases if you do get q quest.

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Yes with Q quest ofcourse.
W is not benificial

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Irrelevant but while we’re at Chromie’s self preservation tier talents, I miss Bye Bye…

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I saw that more like a troll talent then something benefical to her. And you also left your team 5vs4 if you did HS away.

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A worse version of Rocket Ride. At least a JR can get a kill with it and his speedy rocket will get him back in battle a bit faster. I don’t miss Bye Bye.

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This sounds like someone from EU ragequitting :duck:

I still like the range. It doesnt need global. You can still escape a kerrigan or so

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But if a Junkrat picks Rocket Ride, he already choosed the bad heroic, didn’t he? I personally like the other one more, because it’s easier to get value than from Rocket Ride. :stuck_out_tongue: And on 20 you get crazy value with the cdr.

Also Bye Bye is not a heroic, but a talent it was nice for a hero with squishy as chromie and bad escape. Bye Bye is comparable to Guldan’s portal at 20. Why is Guldan allowed to have this, but Chromie not? Made this talent her op compared to Guldan?

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Yes, that was my point and it wasn’t meant as a serious comparison. The only note there was that at least Junkrat doesn’t leave his team for a long as Chromie did with Bye Bye as he can quickly return with his mount and he can potentially get a kill.

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Well Gul’dan usually leaves his team as long as Chromie, because most of the time players places it in the base or near fountains, where it’s safe. And most of the time I pick that portal with Gul’dan, because it makes him basically unkillable.

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It’s sort of more forgivable than the old Bye Bye talent. Guldan doesn’t get demonic circle until 20 where death timers are very punishing, Chromie got her Bye Bye at 13, 11 Chromie time. I can’t quite remember, but I think Bye Bye had a shorter CD compared to DC, but it was ages ago.

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If the sand echos were created only when you cast W, then it would pretty good imo because the position of the echos won’t change every time you cast Q.

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I agree that’s the point where it was a bit unfair to give Chromie such powerful talent at 11/13 while Guldan gets his on 20. They should have just move it to 20. Chromie would still get it earlier at 18?

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It was mostly a troll talent like Rocket Ride was when he could reduce the cd of it at lvl 20.

Just bait enemy team to gank you and then HS away and plant a spray on the ground for good messure.

Or just a cheap escape when ganked. You litterly could not die with that talent.

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The limited range makes it incredibly unreliable and even a risk to use, even as Q build. It’s also a pain to keep track of your clones, and if you’re setting them up to always take advantage of Here and There, you’re losing damage. Also I feel like 20s is a bit too long for a talent like this, given that it doesn’t have the global range anymore.

Time Out is generally the superior talent in comparison under most circumstances. It also has quite a long duration for an “Ice Block” effect. 5s vs Naz’s 3s Iceblock on the same CD (and same talent tier).