Why do people keep taking blast talents for Ragnaros

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I just do not understand what benefit you would get from this as compared to the good talents/builds.

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But they are good talents? The only two talents in his entire tree that’s actually bad in theory is Molten Power/Sulfuras Smash. He wins more with a blast build than anything else.

Gives him or a teammate escape, cc, wave clear, temp hp, and initiation with MS boost. All of which he lacks without blast talents

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I checked hotslogs and no he does not.

  • The escape is baseline.

  • If you take the slow at 4 you are missing out on either 50 spell armor from W or armor with HP regen. Both of which are vital for his survivability.

  • His wave clear from Q is more than anything his E will provide.

  • Gaining actual HP is better than temporary HP.

  • Again, that is baseline. Do you even play Ragnaros?

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Lil’ Ragnaros is voiced by girl and there is no Biggie.

#2Pagnaros

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Look, you can state what you want, but you’re blatantly false on hotslogs data without manipulation. From the last seven days, all blast talents wins the most, followed by hammer talents. Do not manipulate the data this time.

If you checked it, which you obviously didn’t do, then it clearly shows that, with builds from 1-20, that blast does win more. All blast at 58, all hammer at 56, meteor at 52.

He gains less hp than he does shields. Blast wave when cast is instant and cannot be blinded, stunned, interrupted, etc. If an enemy is in it when it goes off, they will get hit. Unlike Q, which you might not even get to use since Ragnaros is usually mediocre to poor in team fights when you actually have the reasonably high chance of dying unless you Molten Core. Blast Shields+Catching Fire is what you want with Blast if you go in, but you do you.

Okay, you can wave clear, good for you (you should press R for that btw), but do you help people without the slow? No. You can make stuff happen with your slow, which you can’t do otherwise. Baseline Q gives you hp anyway, and shields are a burst buffer, so instead of your healing or a healer doing ‘0’, you can get some healing instead on top of effective hp. It is an alternative instead of just using a bush to catch people by surprise instead of E/AA/Q/W. You can get a few more hits in with the E acting as a buffer to help you trade more or survive longer depending.

You want an argument, not a discussion. So read what you want, or don’t, but asking why something happens just to insult someone that disagrees with you is not how you get people talking to you for long.

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looking at Masters, blast talents sometimes have higher winrates. However, Q talents almost always have a 10-15% higher pickrate. this could very well just mean that, in higher levels of play, people only take blast talents in situations where they know they are going to win (or know the chance is very high off the bat) while Q build is more the average build (something that gives them a chance of winning more overall games)

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Q build is generally the pick for a solo lane build, so it makes more sense why its picked more

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Can you not dirty the new forums please?

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You are late, it has been done already. :frowning_face:

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I feel I can’t “flag” him enough times… oh wait, I actually can’t yet he’s still here!!! :face_with_raised_eyebrow::neutral_face::expressionless::no_mouth:

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I wonder if those hashtags count as a life threat in the flag options

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https://imgur.com/a/DAsWAwx

you seem to be the one who has no idea what he is talking about. if you can’t even get Ragnaros base abilities correct and then lie about how i trying to manipulate something no one is going to be taking you seriously here. The only talent that is the higher winrate is Slow Burn at lvl 4. If you still keep trying to lie on here than upload a picture of whatever stats you’re looking at because they sure are wrong.

again. you are factually wrong.

have many lvls do you have on Ragnaros? because Q is instant when you hit someone with it.

Again, how many lvls do you have on him. Because either you are a really bad troll or have never played him before. Ragnaros Q always gets used in teamfights against melee heroes and tanks. also when there is a team fight you don’t just run off and molten core. That is a waste of it,

yes i will use my heroic to wave clear this one wave in front of me and never use my basic abilites to do it. Great idea.

You don’t pick Ragnaros or use him for that one slow talent at lvl 4. Your own surivability is more important than slowing down someone on your teammate.

the healing from baseline is not nearly as good as compared to talented. to get any reasonable amount of shields from E you need to sacrifice your healling/ damage and wave clear at lvl 1.

you contradict your own statements and you have a lack of knowledge to last in any debate for more than 5 minutes.

Want anyone to take you seriously? stop making up lies and don’t have your own argument fall flat in the first few sentences.

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Anyone who thinks rags E build is better than Q most likely has never even played as ragnoros before

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My argument works when you read properly instead of having your way or the highway as your base thought.

By the way, yes, I do play Ragnaros. He’s at 61% winrate right now. It is often deciding between hammer and blast with a bias toward blast unless the enemy team is favoring melee and heavy CC, which hammer is better in that regard. All of my data is on hotslogs, so, you can have fun looking at it. But knowing you, you’ll just look at the wrong information, again, and manipulate the counterargument in your favor by putting your spin on what you read. Full builds are below the talent tree which you conveniently left out in your imgur link. In case anyone doesn’t know, you can click someone’s name and it’ll give the # so you can view whoever on hotslogs if that’s what you want to do.

Individual winrate talents matter, yes, which shows that the blast talents are 2% behind on average, yet when combined together, are, again, higher than hammer. Which you didn’t show.

I shouldn’t have to explain abilities to someone who is so vehemently against every idea that blast talents are at least on par with hammer talents. The arguments fall flat because you take snippets instead of actually reading, and you are going in with the impression of ‘X is always better than Y’. There’s no point in a discussion when one can’t listen. It’s like talking to a wall.

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Your argument doesn’t work when you blatantly lie.
I’m not even going to waste my time reading the rest of what you wrote since you only like to spin information to fit your own argument.

And i’m not the only one who thinks this.

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There’s the thing Ephraim, boo is right.

You’re too busy posting out of compulsion on what you don’t know to bother to read enough to realize that you don’t know, and then you are blaming others for your ignorance.

The posts are using an evaluation of whole builds, not individual talents, for the case they’re making on HoTSlogs, so not only are you not looking in the same areas of stats, but you’re the one blaming them for your refusal to utilize the same metric for the basis on what’s being compared at which point you’re too busy assuming yourself to be right to be honest in the discussion.

Which is ironic cuz all your flame-base responses are about yourself and not them. Given how you describe the blast wave talents, are you actually wanting to discuss why the blast builds can be being more successful than other builds, or are you just looking for affirmation for what you assume to be the case?

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Blast talents have a few distinct advantages:

  1. You do not have to stack them., they provide instant benefit from the moment they’r picked it is especially valuable when you going to have difficult/short laning phase.

  2. They provide CC i.e. chase/escape option.

  3. Those talent is not relies on enemies being clumped up - which is not always the case and even then you, often times, do not want to be among them at the moment.

  4. With blast build you’ll get better single target damage output - which benefits you in a sololaner role - your role.

That s the reason to pick those talents. If enemy team have a lot of melee you’ll go smash and if a lot of poke so you can’t close up - meteor.

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I have a 70% winrate with E build, therefore, E > Q.

Q build is teh suxorz

QQ

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i like to do random builds in v.s. ai.

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It’s basically the utility build.

Need help trading? Blast. Poke with minions? Blast. Escape? Blast. Harder engage with damage on top? Blast. Shields? Blast.

If you don’t need damage, you don’t need meatballs the backline, you just need your other players to do better, blastwave is good for that.