Who beats Sonya on take and hold a point maps?

Maps like Dragonshire and Braxxis most notably.

I think Bruiser Arthas with frostmourne trait build, icy talons at L4 and runetap at L7 can do well.

How does Imperius fair with a trait build?

Varian generally over poweres Sonya after 4/7. Before then though…

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Fenix I would imagine. He’s a pretty solid solo laner and Sonya has nothing long range to poke his shields with to interfere with his shield regen.

Butcher.
1v1 against Sonya is still the one scenario I would consider Butcher above nearly any other hero in the game.

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Orphea is a pretty good duelist. Sonya isn’t exactly known for moving around quick. Big enough hitbox. Shouldn’t be too hard to wear her down. Probably KTZ post 30 stacks. That combo can kill most of the roster.

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Leoric use to be able to outdo butcher, but I’m not 100% now, though I’m fairly certainly Leoric could outdo him in a duel.

Most heroes with decent self-sustain, as she can’t spin to win on the point itself. Rexxar, Yrel, and Imperius are all very hard to pry off a point if they want to stay there.

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Malthael at 4, thrall and dehaka at 7 ,fenix, yrel, rexxar should be able to do the trick

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He wins after 7, he attacks too fast and heals too fast and Sonya can’t escape him. Even after 10 with wrath, Arthas can take Army of the Dead and will still win.

I think this is about a 60/40 in favor of imperius - As Sonya you have to be smart in your approach to fighting Imperius. If I tried to just straight up duel him, Sonya will lose. Instead you have to bait his trait out and avoid him while it’s up, then beat him up and use WW to out-sustain him.

There’s a window - after 10 with wrath, Sonya beats his face in.

He does. There’s little more that you can do as Sonya other than just soak. Fenix will kite you and teleport away from you even if you get on him and wait for his shields to regen before engaging you again.

OP is talking about in the solo lane, butcher does not beat Sonya in the solo lane.

Not really. Sonya has better sustain and can out trade Orphea. If Orphea misses her skill shots its a pretty big deal with her long CDs and her reliance on mana.

If I hit one spear, aa, slam, aa combo on her 3/4 of her life disappears and even if she damages me, I can heal up on minion waves with WW and she doesn’t have CC to stop me from doing that. That and Sonya doesn’t use mana.

Rexxar beats Sonya, I’d say it’s about a 60-40 in Rexxar’s favor. Yrel just loses. I already talked about Imperius above.

Malthael used to, but now he just loses - even with die alone. I think he just runs out of mana too quickly and Sonya is able to out sustain him. Malthael needs minions around to try to out heal Sonya’s damage as well, so on control points he loses even harder.

Thrall and Dehaka both lose.

That’s been my experience so far against these heroes when I play Sonya.

The OP was talking about point control, not necessarily standard solo laning.

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Dragon shire and Braxxis - the top lane is the solo lane. On these maps, putting butcher against Sonya in the solo lane to control the top lane/point, Butcher will lose.

Yes he does.

Used in HL and in pro tournaments.
The problem is what happens after the solo laning phase, but overall, Butcher will wreck Sonya on Braxxis/ Dragon Shire if nobody disrupt them.

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Interestingly i find Ana to be a nuisance to Sonya if you can apply the doses fast enough: The 50% in damage/heal hurts a lot and allows you to actually stand your ground.

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I know people will call me crazy for this, but a good Ana can beat Sonya when holding the point. Between putting her to sleep and grenading, she can pretty much shut down all of Sonya’s self healing.

But it has to be a pretty good Ana.

/Edit: Sniped :stuck_out_tongue:

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List of healers capable of bullying “solo laners” is actually surprisingly long. The issue is you have to draft 2 healers or leave the other lane without healer.

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No he doesn’t, if Sonya plays like an idiot, she will lose. Otherwise She will out trade him by out sustaining and create lane pressure that he has to respond to.

The other problem is that other teams WILL disrupt the solo lane, usually the team that is losing the 4 man will rotate to gank the solo lane and try to get an advantage there.

Heroes that should beat Sonya every single game:
Ray, Fenix, Rexxar, probius, Artanis, butcher, dehaka and Yrel. Varian too but he needs colossus or level 7 Twinblades by time laning phase is almost over.

Few more that are on side favored to win the lane:
Alarak, Gaz, Greymane and Blaze(will struggle with mana long term).

There is a whole bunch more heroes if you included heroes who are neutral or at least have chance of winning the lane. Seriously, Sonya hasn’t been that great of a hero nor laner for long time now.:cold_face:

Yes yes, there were only idiot Sonyas in HL/tournaments.
Makes me wonder if its so difficult for you to believe because you never seen it before or you get triggered crappy Butcher can beat your main.

Whatever. Cba to have the same conversation for the 3rd time.

Varian destroies Sonya on point control. Well, maybe except CS, but taunt and twin blades will dispatch her nicely. Even after 10, Varian can take parry at 10 and Mortal Strike at 13 and it is GG for Sonya.

And butcher probably destroies everyone in 1v1, maybe except orphea or jaina if they get the jump first.

Sonya with nerfed Ferocius Healing (20 sec cd) and without Spell Shield now is too easy for Varian with Colossus Smash (20 sec on it > 60 sec on WotB) or Twin Blades. Now Sonya is not the best choice on bruiser role, thats all. Blizzard nerfed her too much. Varian have too much options vs her (early burst damage, % damage, sustain, invulerability).

i can do something vs Colossus Varian on Lunara only because she have spell shield.
p.s: Blizzard please return spell shields in the game. This game hurted me too much in QM and i don’t know why cancerous Zerathul have it but Kael’thas, Jaina or Cassia not. Your balance and matchmaking is broken.