If I tank, teammates are moving in circles and doing no damage, completely petrified of all PvP.
If I heal, I can only keep people alive for so long, as they move in circles, doing no damage, and are utterly terrified of partaking in PvP.
If I deal damage, not even 100k hero damage in a ~30k average game is enough, because nobody else is doing damage, nobody’s tanking, CERTAINLY nobody’s healing, they’re all moving around in small little circles, totally horrified of fighting in PvP, and I can’t 1v5.
All in all, I can’t 1v5. So, climbing seems impossible in regards to standard play and “hoping I get good teammates this time,” because that’s just a doomed 50/50, which is not a climb (and is, in fact, deranking).
So, what’s the climb strategy???
I’m going to try Deathwinging my way out.
I’m not balanced around my zombie teammates healing me, and I can’t be chain CC’d by enemy teams that realize I’m the only threat.
Hard team-work game, shared experience, no personal gold or somth., which means u need a team, 5 stack probably, voice. Nothing personal, which means 1 fault of man in ur team means shared fault, 1 win in ur team means shared win, that is why it’s so hard to play good - u need all 5 people to be good. Moreover, if one of you died, you will have to wait for him to start a new battle, even 4 vs 5 does not play hots. U an alone - are nothing, u with a good team - everything. It’s not the game to proof ur ego or to show ur personal skill. It’s about working together all 5 good people with voice and shared everything during the game.
Hots wanted to appeal to the Asian market and lure the huge audience of China, that’s the only way they play there. Pure communism. If all this does not suit you, I would think carefully before continuing to play it and waste ur nerves.
many people who love freedom in games, a stronger personal contribution, and so on - have long gone from the hots and this is one of the reasons why it is not so popular - many simply did not like this system. So, if anything, you will not be the first - and that’s OK.
That’s how you climb out, silver team orientation doesn’t exist, it can be done but even if try hard enough it won’t work, no one will chain, no one will follow up and so on and on.
TBH? Just focus on your weakness and keep learning, make sure you soak and keep moving forward while not falling behind and don’t play selfish picks that forces everyone to go around you.
Fan does this a lot, he climbs with Zeratul since he has great macro, great 1v1, great laning potential. He is also mobile which makes him safe (as well as a good chaser).
Proven to be false as long as the player is really high rank (if OP’s true skill level is silver, he may not be able to climb out at all). You don’t need a 5 stack at low ranks to rank up, if you are a true high MMR player.
This got me out of middle bronze pretty fast. I was unaware of how much soaking or pushing lanes and getting exp matters. I got my teams up 2 or 3 levels by myself while they basically danced around in middle with enemies.
Big micro skills in teamfights usually only matter in plat, diamond or higher, it isn’t an issue in these low ranks.
A self reliant good soaker like Fenix is great for ranking up, he is not even reliant on a healer.
Pick Tassadar. He’s easy to learn, he’s got excellent waveclear, can zone people in teamfights (don’t know why people won’t go through his psionic storm when it’s on the ground, the damage is not that much) and deals high damage. Plus, he’s safe and got some kind of escape (wall). His shield is also quite good against divers. I’d add that his Oracle gives good vision, just write “i give vision” in chat before using it to ensure all teammates look at their maps.
Double soak and get camps early game. You’ve got Tassadar, you can do those faster than a waveclear hero could depush a wave.
Stay hidden and deal damage from afar in teamfights. Accumulating damage will get the enemy team lower in health, which will give confidence to your team in attacking (because when a hero’s low, everyone jumps on him for no reason at all. i’ve seen 4 ults wasted on a 20% health hero because people wanted to kill him, plain stupid).
If they don’t let you pick Tassadar, pick him anyway and say that you’re a smurf. Lying is not good, but if it will get people into the game, don’t hesitate.
Ping all the time. Triple ping count as people seeing it. No, 1 ping isn’t enough. Triple ping. Every time.
Write in chat to give fast indications along with the pings: “they boss”, “obj”, “they camp”, “help top wave”. Fast to type and people get what you mean. Move your zombie teammates like pawns.
It works with any hero that has Tassadar’s safety and waveclear. Zeratul might be a good choice, I haven’t played him much in a while.
And here lies the problem. But then it gets a little more complicated. If you play in NA you can allegedly get to diamond if you just macro the poopoo out every game and always be 2 levels above enemy. In EU you have to be a little better than that but soaking is still a must. Just pick a few heros that have good waveclear/camp and get really really good with them.
Mindless soaking should work in all regions if we talk about the very low ranks like bronze 5 to silver 5 or so.
You can practically end games with catapults in these ranks. I did it. It only works because the enemy doesn’t care at all about clearing their lanes and waves.
If someone plays in these ranks, they should mindlessly kill minions, get camps and rotate from one lane to the other, then rinse repeat. And keep all your own lanes unpushed. It leads to amazing results in these leagues.
This wont work in plat or higher because people are smarter about soaking and clearing their lane, there you actually need to get some objectives or win teamfights.
Longer answer: Focus heavily on macro while also picking heroes that are actually goodAND that you are good at. People will often complain that climbing is too hard and then instalock a fairly bad hero like Butcher that they barely play and wonder why they keep losing. Learning how to shotcall is also key. Even if you get a lot of bad teammates that do ignore it, you WILL win more games due to shotcalls when decent teammates actually listen.
How can a player learn, and most importantly - why? To amuse the Smurfs who have settled in stacks on silver and gold? And due to the low online - they come across every other time. That means u should play on a lv of master or gm, diamond minimum. Imagine what kind of newcomers, you just entered the game - and you are already blown to dust. And so for a very long time.
How will you get out of silver as a rookie without abuse?
Further. Are you really giving me an example of a pro Hotts player who played at hgc? I think with this, everything is clear.
Further. Does it seem to you that all the actions that you propose to do just to get out of silver, at 21, are too long and difficult for a simple language? For what? To continue playing a game where one and a half people play? For cartoon diablo? Funny
Watched a random plat game (NA) and this didn’t seem to be true. At least to any notable extend anyway. People missing massive amounts of soak and taking camps at around 25% efficiency, tops. Just generally setting oneself up for a failure.
It is fairly difficult. You need to be several leagues above your opponent in skill to climb out of any league in a reasonable amount of time. (Though in HotS, anything at 50,1% or higher winrate will do the trick if you grind enough)
But I don’t know how this differs from any other game? You want to rank up to International Master in chess, you have to already be above the level of CM’s (candidate masters) for that to be possible.
Or you want to get into the Premier League in British soccer from the EFL (third tier), you already have to be a Premier-tier player.
You don’t get free participation trophies in any game or sport simply for playing a lot. You only get rewarded for consistently winning or being on winning teams.
I am a 3 platinum player. I can do everything that these poor fellows say to do in order to supposedly win. A diamond with a master differs from platinum only in the presence of a team or abuse-teammate. I myself went up from 5 bronze to 3 platinum alone, without a team. Until recently, I did not want to do this, I played on 1 account for 3 years, without a smurf and team. And now the time has come - I created it, now. And what do you think? I’m in 4 silver and it’s very difficult for me to play without a friend or team. I constantly meet packs of smurfs that blow us to dust. Not because they are skillful, I can do on sylvan, Tracer or Imp. such dirt that you never dreamed, on the main account 58% winrate, but because they are 3-5 people. Moreover, I was a eu player, what means my platinum kinda like a diamond on us. I suppose u can make conclusion what a big problem is smurfing at this game and too much team-oriental gameplay. Now imagine what newbies see when they start there path
It’s absolutely easier with a team. I do agree with you on that. I would even suggest OP play in a premade team if he wants to get out of Silver fast.
It’s not necessary to play in a premade, it just makes things much easier.
Even if the premade only has silvers and golds, you no longer get: Afk players, leavers, trolls, people who feed on purpose, people who rage and sit in a bush etc.
The benefits of a premade are immense in SL. A 50% win rate player can become a 70-80% one in a premade team.
There is no point in playing hots without 4 more people with a voice. Add this low level online, which makes it possible to hit packs of groups against singles - very frequent and smurfing in the low leagues (not to mention the system of calibrating everyone at 50% winrate) and wow we have communist game straight out of hell.
Cannot agree that it is easier as most of you are saying. When you play 3-4-5 premade you get matched versus similiar premade team which again makes it equal in a way. Yes communication and game itself will be more controllable but not that more “easier”.
I play only solo sl and have a 71% w/r at 2000 master points if i did team up with some other masters will it make my w/r 90%? No it wont because then i will be playing againts same skilled premade teams with more experience as team compared to my newly formed “team”.
We can talk all day long about premades about injustice and bad teammates at the end of the day if you do 100 ranked games all by yourself starting from bronze 5 and u end up at your 100th game at around 50% thats where you belong. Sorry but that is the truth anyone who doesnt understand it will always blame everything else rather than his own skill and understanding of the game. As long as you have 55% w/r at least and over 100 games thats when u can begin to think that you should be higher rank because statistically you are winning more games than you lose on average by a 5% margin which is okay.
Yea I don’t agree with that statement at all (no difference plat - master).
I am a low platinum and I can see a big difference between me and a low Master. That is heavily in my disadvantage in all respects, macro, micro, drafting, general gameplay.
Then, the difference between low Master and a GM. This is huge. Then, between a low GM and a high GM.
The ladder is very stratified into various skill levels. People don’t understand this. They think a higher rank is just someone who played more. No.