What is the point of substitute AI?

The only thing the AI knows how to do when subbing for a player is feed, so why not just have it to where they just stay in the base? I’d prefer them stay far and away from any place they might feed, even if it means I’m a man down.

Or at very least, turn their difficulty setting up to expert so they know how to function with the team.

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What are you talking about?

The AI are superb when it comes to soaking exp on lanes.

Even when the objective fight is up.

Even if you are midfight and you were the one who pinged the AI Whitemane so it would follow you, but then you die, so does it abandon the fight to go soaking lanes despite the ongoing battle.

The AI feels like it’s way worse on some maps than others.

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I swear I remember the AI being better a few years ago. Were they nerfed at some point?

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You forgot “even if they have zero regard for how far they overextend and end up getting ganked with no way of escape every. single. time.”

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AI is still useful if you keen to make use of them.

Everybody know how AI is easily to be ganked, yet you can prevent that from happening sonetimes by keep predicting enemy movement and observing the mini map then ping your AI to come to you, well be smart on your position as well since they just run straight to you if you want them to run backward then place yourself behind them.

There’re some rules to keep in mind in order to capitalize on AI.

  1. Pinged AI always position themselves behind you
  • melee AI: just ping only to guide them wherever you want them to go/following you, release them in TF/engagement, if you don’t release them then they’re just stay behind being no use, just let them go wild.

  • range AI: always ping to keep them behind and with you since they’re range they can fight without release them first but still release them make them fight better coz they don’t need to strictly position themselves behind you.

  1. Keep manipulating their movement, either to make them follow you or roam free.

  2. If thing goes wrong don’t overly try to save them, sometimes it’s worth it if it makes yourself in danger, leave them be.

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The beta AI was much better than current.
It would actually turn in gems on Blackheart’s.
Currently, if pinged, and i pay, it will try until I am done, and then it will get stuck in a ‘i dunno boss’ loop.
If you unping it, it goes to a farking lane, even when 1 of the 4 coins it has completes the objective, their team is now coming because…well see above…
It is amazing how abhorrently stupid the AI is.
It took them a year to get heroes to stop circle jerking in town, or to not walk to an objective to simply hearth home on full health and mana.

The leash range is stupidly short. Range characters follow you line you were teh start of a train, and they would not a fruitfly escape your butt without them licking it. God forbid they actually shoot something.

The only reason to have the AI is to piss you off more than the AFK who you thought was the worse you had ever seen…until the bot was loaded.

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:expressionless: :point_up_2:

:wink: :point_right:

honestly some times the AI plays better than the teammate that disconnected. seen it a couple of times artanis dc “failing to do a single successful swap” and then the AI fixes it all by swapping them 1 by 1 into our team and we just kill them asap. i love the AI teammate some times.

    Edit: Cough.... you should see an AI KTZ or KT plays... such amazing carry and not even being sarcastic
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I think the real problem with them making the AI better is it needs to never be an advantage at any level of play. This includes near the bottom of bronze league.

Imagine if blizzard made the AI as good at the hardest co-op vs AI bot. Then if a player Dc’d in low bronze league there team would likely get a boost, as the AI would be a better than these very bad players. Having played with friends who just started the game before, i can tell you there are some shockingly bad players in this game. the AI HAS to be worse than them.

Either that or you get better ai in higher match making games. That is probably very difficult to do though in practice

but why should the bad team get’s a boost from the AI if they’re bad? you need to learn instead of get boosted. getting used on being carried isn’t good either you know. but learning to get better at playing then start winning is so much better you could even start winning game with even 2 AI’s in your team and no need for them to be “so great AI’s”

i won games with 3 AI’s once back when i was in low plat 4/5 and i lost with AI’s too can’t win them all at least i won some. i’m not very sure about the AI’s but they’re some times very good and enemy team won’t even realize they’re playing vs an AI cause of their plays are in place i mean if you was in that game with the artanis AI we had.

you would be like “that player is definitely a GM smurf” to realize at the end you’ve been outplayed by an AI. i agree the AI needs an improvements but sit in base do nothing won’t help you in teamfights won’t help you during an objective you’ll definitely need them even if they’re not so good in your game at least they do some dmg and help you a little.

just ping them to follow you around instead of let them roam alone and dive in alone then you’ll only hate it that way and think AI is so dumb etc… remember it’s a computer after all it’s not a person who can think “hmmm would i die if i go alone 1v5?” “would i be able to win this fight?” “would it be wise to stay in lane alone while my team is nowhere near me?” they can’t think like us.

     Edit: i haven't experienced an AI getting stuck and not being able to turn in it's gems / coins before so i can't say much about that cause i played black heart's bay literally yesterday and the AI was normal it pays after i ping it to follow so idk what happened in your games honestly. that's why i haven't made a post about the AI's i guess. but beside that nothing more.
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i have a simple solution:

when they see an enemy hero ( ONLY IN LEAVER AI ) they run away, and poke behind walls. PROBLEM SOLVED :smiley:

Just use Google DeepMind AI for the leavers. Then we’l have people begging their teammates to leave.

Outside of autofilling in brawls, to my knowledge they use the Elite AI.

I’ve had 2-3 games (in maybe a 30-40 games where someone left early and never reconnected) where the AI was considered MVP by our team.
All were healers iirc.

But it’s good/bad impact seems to vary drastically between map and hero. =[

Nope, they use normal AI.

Citation needed?
Why would they do that, even.

Given brawl fills with veteran why would it be worse than that?

My info on elite is old, like 1.5 years ago iirc. So it could have changed, but I doubt it. Trying to make a leaver feel as minimally bad as possible is the goal.

Don’t forget when the AI gets an enemy hero to 10% HP, turns around, hearths to base, and leaves the objective uncontested.

Elite has insanely good accuracy, like literally aim-bot accuracy.

That’s not how it works.

Are you trying to make an argument.

Because my “Zobrek said it was Elite AI in a non-public place” has more weight than “aimbot!!”.

And “Zobrek said it was Elite AI in a non-public place” has zero weight if you do not trust me.

How about you just go play against elite AI and find out.

I’ve played against multiple different elite AIs when enemy teams disconnected. If you meant play against a team of elite AIs, I have done that a few times.

They are not aimbots. They just have “perfect” vision detection. When you appear for a split second at low HP in Fog, Fenix will happily ult you from across the map.

I’ve seen it happen the same way playing against elite AI, and playing with a leaver Fenix.

Some of it’s ultimates were still terrible, but some were spot on perfect. Things I suspect most human players would have failed at.

What AI do you believe they use?
Because any answer besides Veteran or Elite is hilariously wrong. And i’m Still a solid 90%+ sure it is Elite still.