What exacly is li li?

Li li in draft is a free report

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Good li li is literally a kung fu panda that spits tornadoes.

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Sheā€™s definitely a healer. If you talent her to heal.
Sheā€™s definitely a damage dealer. If you talent her to do damage.

If you arenā€™t getting heals out of her, you have to position LiLi to get the heals to who you want to heal.

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Not really , she can heal but very low numbers compared to most heroes

Thats a joke

Iā€™ve done both successfully on more than one occasion. perhaps itā€™s the driver not the car.

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Iā€™ve topped score many times as li li many times,
I play the game for 6 years so I know when overall healing is bad compared to a good Lucio or Anduin

If you pick Li li for damage then I agree with OP that you can pick a raynor and do more dmg and faster
It takes ages before li li can take someone down while she lacks kill potential

Sometimes having top heal as a healer doesnt mean your doing great because you donā€™t have any competition , only the other healer on the enemy team

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Wait are you saying that a hero that just has to keep people in a yellow circle and heal all of them without dying is going to out heal a healer that can only heal 1 time every 4 seconds, and if her snake is doing hero dmg do 17 heals per shot to hero.

No kidding ?

You mean that LiLi cant heal 4 people from a straight line shot the size of the lane ? shocking.

Lili helps in other ways. Her blinds prevent dmg from auto attackers (which dont count for healing) her blinds her mobility without using walls can make her a pest.

Her cleanse both heals (not much but it can be helpful) and is on the lowest cooldown (and benefits from fast feet cooldown) of any other cleanse in the game so its available more often

Will raynor do more dmg that Lili absolutely, if raynor 1v1ā€™s lili in a lane lili hands jimmy his lunch all day long. Its more than dmg to hurt the other team.

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A hero what needs buffs to be actually useful.

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Her blinds hit the frontline and what is a blind compared to uthers 25 armor or a Ana sleep dart that shuts someone up for 3s
Sleep dart is also a great kill set up
Alex dragonqueen wins objectives
Stukov provides good psycical armor and can shut down half the team
WM can make someone unkillable

And your talking about a few pitty blinds when other healers can do more and better in terms of healing and peeling

Which is nice but it canā€™t compete with a good kill potential like Malfurion does , one W does 130 damage

Not even that, if raynor saves his W untill li li blinds raynor can win vs Li li easy with a good combo. And raynor is one of the few autoattackers in the game who only do AA damage

If it works for you, great. but you got to accept li li needs buffs and she is really outdated and useless. One of the worst heroes to onetrick.
Li li cant even spot stealth or check bushes

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Its nice to be agreed with

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But
Lili counters AA heroes, she literally has an ability specifically for it that you can make even better and somewhat spammable. Her healing isnā€™t that bad either despite you having less control over it than with other healers. Positioning is important for her as you canā€™t manually pick your target for anything but the lil dragon.

Sure I wouldnā€™t take her as a first pick but come on, thereā€™s a lot of heroes like that, sheā€™s not terrible.

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Sheā€™s a great hero to play when you are tired and donā€™t feel like focusing on anything.
If your team donā€™t have the lockdown and burst she turn into murky levels of announce to chase down and kill.
I feel her real power comes from her level 4 that gives you a on demand fast feet.

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Also, reporting someone for a draft is actually an abuse of the report system.

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That sounds interesting. What do you have in mind? Targetable Qā€™s?

I came here for this.

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If everyone dives on one hero and the healer can save her. Sure she has bonus points on her cleanse but thats her only thing.
Other healers provide more even reghar and uther who have lower healing numbers

Her blinds hit 2 frontline heroes
You arent sure who the healing goes too. If another hero is hurt and close it can go to that hero

If a hero is chasing another hero malfurion ana deckard can do a good zoning. Li li has no zoning powers

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She has blind to prevent damage like Uther as a melee has stuns/armor to balance his low healing outcome.

Someone also mentioned that Lili has one of the best cleanse in the game on 7.

She has slow to reach her target though.

Wrong. You know where the healing goes, because it always goes to the lowest health target.

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Li Li is just simply outdated. Sheā€™s designed for small sustained healing against primarily AA teams, but thereā€™s so many other healers who can do that now better and more; plus pure AA heroes are pretty uncommon now. Iā€™d say her biggest problem honestly is her trait. All her numbers are too low because they have to be in order to balance her potential spammability. However, her trait doesnā€™t actually reward aggressive play so much as it punishes safer play. If her trait isnā€™t up then her cooldowns are too long for her low numbers to keep up.

This is also why I think the misnomer that sheā€™s a ā€œbeginnersā€ hurts her. Saying sheā€™s easy is like saying Abathur is easy because he can technically sit in fountain the whole game and just hat things. A good Li Li needs to be actively weaving in and out of combat to constantly keep her trait up; but even then her strength can only ever be slightly above average at best.

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Most cleanses are overrated. Li li becomes bad after gold and before gold cleanse is terrible with the exception of going vs chromie.
Nobody knows how to cleanse or how to react if their being cleanse untill plat.
You need number healing or damage
I been in low leagues multiple times with a smurf, cleanses wont do anything

And how good is her slow vs malfurions root or reghars slow after 16
Deckards emerald or stukovs slow
Brightwings poly tyrandes stun anduins root

Does it go to the lowest health target or the lowest % target?
Answer: The lowest % health and how do you know who it will be thrown at? do you know all of the current % health on someones heads?

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Basics from elementary schoolā€¦? Sure there are some situations when both players are low and then you canā€™t choose the target, which is healed, but it doesnā€™t mean you donā€™t know which one is healed, because you do: You know one of the lower healths heroes will get a heal, if both are in your range.

At least 30% and Rehgarā€™s slow is binded to a totemā€¦ You also have to consider that Lili is easier to play than those heroes you mentioned and itā€™s fine, if some easy to play heroes are weaker overall than harder to play heroesā€¦ But we could agree that Lili could get some more buffs, if she is underperforming.

Not at all. She is a beginner-hero, because all her abilitys donā€™t require aiming, you canā€™t even use/waste your mana, when all targets are at full health or when you arenā€™t in range of enemys, then you canā€™t use her slow/blind. Her abilitys easy and fail proofed, so the only thing she needs to care for: her positioning, attacking and spamming abilitys, when they are up. I donā€™t see how her trait hurts this playstyleā€¦ itā€™s pretty straight forward.

The problem with this equation is that, if you sit with Aba on Hall of the storm and plays him like a Gall, then you ignore other aspects of his kit (your Z/trait will be useless and mines too), but you canā€™t fail with Liliā€™s kit at all, because itā€™s fail proofed.

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