No, not quite. When Blizzard updated the composition rules Varian was placed in the Bruiser category. On December 21st when the composition rules were reversed they reverted Varian back to being a tank in the Matchmaker rule set, but did not update him in the UI.
This is why PlanarChaos is going to argue he isn’t a tank in the rule set, but he very clearly is when you queue with him. It was an undocumented change, just like the expansion happening 10 times faster was.
Could you please provide your cite that Varian is not classified as a bruiser internally?
No. You cannot. He is classified as a bruiser, not a tank.
Like every other bruiser in the game, in an expanded search to create games more quickly and keeping quality high, bruisers will be used in lieu of tanks.
I don’t see what is difficult here.
Varian is factually not considered a tank by the rules.
He is considered a bruiser and hence ends up in matches acting as a tank with relaxed rules.
While he may be essentially be a tank currently, he is in fact considered a bruiser.
here is a screenshot i took a few minutes before posting this. Notice Varian does not get the bonus exp. Hence being considered a role which is not a tank
this line and everything after was edited in after post was made
Clearly you don’t understand how “relaxing” of rules worked.
By your logic every warrior should be considered a tank. Yet, I bet if you queue as Zarya you won’t be put as the “warrior/tank” of the game, unless you have a very long queue. I kinda wanta play 20-30 QMs as Zarya just to prove the point now, tbh. That not all warriors are tanks even with the relaxed rules.
The relaxing clearly kept the new roles, but was willing to put bruisers up against tanks if the matchmaker favored it would result in a good game.
You remind me of the people who think that “expanded search” is purely one ruleset. When in fact how the rules are relaxed changes over time. And I have that right from people on the HotS team.
I won’t share proof of that of course, without permission. But if you have a scenario where you have:
a viable tank for one team (say, ETC), and a viable support for both teams, a viable ranged assassin for both teams and two other people for each team…
If the matchmaker, say, the option of Diablo or Varian with equal MMR, the Matchmaker would always pick diablo.
As Diablo is considered a tank, while Varian is considered a bruiser, who can be matched up against tanks given the “who wins” is very close to 50%.
Go queue with him and you will quickly find out this is true.
He is always matched against a tank. I don’t care that he doesn’t get the Call of the Nexus bonus, when the matchmaker creates teams he is always matched against a tank even when there are no other tanks on your team. This does not happen with Sonya, Leoric, or other bruisers.
You can argue against it all you want, but it will not change reality.
No, you posted a screenshot of the Call of the Nexus when I’ve stated repeatedly the change is irrespective of the UI classification. In the UI, no, he isn’t in the tank category. However, internally in the QM rule set he is treated as a tank.
actually, looking at some of your recent posts that talked about queue times, it seems you Are (or were) someone who assumes “expanded search” at 30 seconds is the same as “expanded search” at 300 seconds.
I think that the HotS team should be more clear, about how exactly the queue was expanded, but to quote someone on the team
“…Feedback that it could be more transparant is not unwelcome (however that transparancy may have effects itself on behavior)…”
Varian in QM does not get credit for being played AS a tank even when I go play a tank Varian. For the sake of argument, why would someone in QM play a tank if they’re not getting the XP boost that “real tanks” get even if Varian is a perfectly viable tank?