Uther should not be counted as a healer for QM

This is not a discussion of “Is Uther bad or good?” because I personally have seen Uther used effectively many times in both the pro scene and at high levels of play with a proper comp built around him.

The only problem is that Uther is only good when utilized with a team and hardly anywhere else. In a chaotic environment like quickmatch where people often play alone, usually the team with the Uther always loses for one simple reason: Not enough healing.

Uther’s Q does less healing than an alex Q, has almost quadruple the cooldown of alex’s Q (with live or let live), and costs almost 1/5 of his entire mana bar to use compared to alex’s 0 mana cost.

What you see more often than not at the end of the game is your uther with 30-40 thousand healing while the enemy healer is sitting at 100-110 thousand.

Almost every engagement ends with your team having to retreat because you have no health while the enemy is almost completely topped off by their alex/whitemane/brightwing spamming healing nonstop at zero mana cost.

With as chaotic as the matchmaking is right now, most games devolve into a poke war with both teams just spamming ranged abilities and retreating, never engaging once. If your team has the uther, you simple will not be able to handle all the sustain damage. Meanwhile, the enemy healer can keep everyone topped off at 100% health with zero mana cost and keep going infinitely.

They must be really bad Uthers if they have such healing.
Shame.

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Of course he has less healing. He has armor to compensate lol. So if you’re going to compare one of the least healing heroes because of armor in mind (those numbers are ridiculous btw, those are just bad Uthers), to one of the most healing heroes like Alexstraza who has inflated heal numbers because of her self damage/abundance, that’s going to be like a huge duh.

If you filter win rates for QM only. Uther is sitting at 55%, and Alex is at 48%. Sorry, your argument just doesn’t bare out in the actual stats. If you have a problem with Uther, it’s probably because of your approach in how you’re playing him.

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[Citation needed]

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Why are you asking for QM to be fair when that idea has already been scrapped?

You know, you actually have a point.

I’m marking this thread for deletion.

The secret to Uther in QM is to use the lumberjack skin and go chop chop build with E quest and Divine Storm.

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While I agree that Uther may need some math tweaks to give him some more mana efficency, the issue addressed by OP is common to also other Heroes (Kerrigan to name just one): some char are strictly niche and requires certain setup builded around them to properly work, otherwise they’ll be totally behind other performing the same role.
It’s not something that can be solved, since QM is not the correct environment to look at when thinking of balance fixes, but I agree that it may be frustrating to not be able to play a favorite Hero because of totally random team setup in QM (since it’s the only mode where you can just select what you want regardless of counterpicks, bans and maps.).

another l2p post
i saw similar post with kharazim
https://imgur.com/a/M3uph86
https://imgur.com/a/C7aDffW
here i put pictures to prove hes a healer

and his Q heals more than alex’s Q stop giving wrong info

If you expect Uther playing like any kind of backline healer ofc you are going to lose.

Uther job is to be the play maker while sustaining burst waves and even sponge some damage in the process.

He needs to wait the right time to turn the battle in his team’s favor, he is the “I don’t think so!” healer.

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Important question nobody asked yet is how exactly Uther should be counted. Support with Abathur or TLV?
40k heal bruiser?

Yeah, coz that makes more sense.

Uther level 1 Holy light healing : 376
Alex level 1 Gift of life healing: 398

Abathur can heal 40k easily. I’ve seen some abathurs heal almost 50-60k.

Her healing depends from her HP, when Uther’s doesn’t. If you will be back lined, you won’t heal so many HP.

Question 1 :what should he be classified as then?
Question 2 : how would whatever classification you propose not break QM each time someone picks uther?
Question 3: Supposing that what you say is true.Why would uther have a QM pass while other heroes who also are more draft/team reliant suffer?

Uther heals himself as well, maybe thats what he meant.

Anway

Still this.

Uther should be placed against global healer, triple-split and utility mage? That solves the problem?

Yep, im lvl 6 on Uther and even i can put up higher healing numbers. I thought he was trash because like OP is saw many really bad players, but i realized that wasnt the case.
I would say Uther is one of the better QM healers because he is at least Okay in most scenarios.

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u forgot about uther self healing when hes healing ally with holy light
and if ur allways full health with uther ur playing him wrong

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Try being Tracer or Raynor or Zul Jin against an Uther.

Let me check my last 5 QMs as Uther healer:

  1. 77,954 vs Khara 47,252
  2. 84,265 vs Khara 44,477
  3. 33,310 vs Ana 18,731
  4. 60,022 vs Whitemane 76,662
  5. 89,871 vs Whitemane 87,780

Really I cannot see a problem with Uthers heals. On top of that he brings decent CC, armor and damage comparable to other healers.

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I swear that skin actually ups ur chances of winning.

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