Whats the deal with all the trolls in ARAM who will sit in the healing well all game long and purposely ruine the game for other players, and why the F do they NOT GET BANNED? I got banned for saying “how f**k play” though… I realize the game is dead and there aren’t any devs but can blizzard not just ban these fu*ing retards?
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Dont worry, they did ban hammer in aram : p
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Well just encountered these 2 guys. one called MetaOrThrow and they literally sat there in fountain cause we didn’t have a tank 
Some are trolls, and some are people playing on hopeless 20 year old toasters or laptops with wifi connections.
Keep in mind ARAM is a place where people go to clear leaver queues. People who disconnect a lot end up in leaver queue with the maximum 4 game penalty.
Many of them keep disconnecting in ARAM due to not having fixed the original cause of the disconnects.
It really is a ‘crapshoot’ whether you get decent allies in ARAM or people who literally sit there doing nothing.
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Why just ARAM though?
Just report them, if they get enough, and their stats indicate they aren’t doing much, they’ll probably get suspended, and if they keep doing it after being suspended, probably banned. Unfortunately, so long as they don’t do it every game, the likelihood of them getting banned is very little. Some people are just selectively trolly which can skirt the punishment.
Had this Butcher that just refused to play yesterday, for whatever reason, I’m not even sure. He was still occasionally going in, but ignoring most fights, but hanging out at base a lot. Pretty sure it wasn’t even because of my complaining which I can do quite a bit of because I didn’t really say anything in the beginning and was sort of ignoring the chat.
Checked his win rate after, 61%.
there’s this magical thing called “free will” that exists.
People can choose to ‘troll’ a game and not get banned because 1 report isn’t enough to ban them: if that were enough, then people would roll accounts for reporting other people to get them banned.
So bannable actions need:
- several unique reports
- the reports are filled over a particular duration of time
- other corroborative evidence to indicate a violation (such as stat review)
Chronic trolls could be banned, but just roll another account – call it the same thing – and keep on doing it.
However, as some on the forums have admitted, it’s easier to already have multiple accounts, and just rotate on them so that enough reports/afk don’t accumulate on a single account and they can keep on doing it.
The fantastic fact of life is that people that want to be problematic for society can generally continue to do so, blizzard games or not. Cooperative communication tries to incentivize people to play the same common thing, but functionally… “some men just want to watch the world burn”
They feel powerless in ‘skilled’ play, so they find ‘power’ by ruining games by asserting that they’ve figured out some little secret and get away with doing ‘what they want’ without figuring out that they could still get ‘what they want’ by changing what they ‘want’.
I genuinely hate seeing Zul’jins, too. But I didn’t know there were other Troll heroes.
Look, I’m sorry for this and to everyone in this topic, I’m not particularly vindictive or argumentative, but I do need to say this.
My dude, my guy, you spent time writing long, condescending posts about me in another topic for doing exactly this. You treated me like some kiddo who doesn’t understand math and numbers and lumped a lot of people into ‘low level players’.
And here you are doing what you lectured me not to do.
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You didn’t understand bias, I pointed it out. And I wasn’t the only one. The fact you didn’t understand it is your issue, not mine.
And pointing out that someone has a high win rate is condescending? My only point was what Xen mentioned too, people do what they want, and in any one game they might decide to troll when they might not in all their games. I just happened to be in that game. The difference between me and you is I know I AM doing confirmation, but by me checking actually showed my bias was wrong lol.
What I’m not doing is then jumping to a conclusion like the higher MMR I get, the better my enemies get and worse my allies get, which was my original criticism. That is just not going to be true generally.
I wasn’t lecturing you not to check, I’m saying you can’t make any sort of general statement about the matchmaking just on your one check. And others said it too, you’d have to check every person on both for lots of games.
I’m not going through all of this RIGHT NOW, but again you still haven’t addressed the point that I just said, I sometimes check people profiles after games, you do it too. As you’ve stated in this post. You told me not to do that and one other guy said the same thing too.
And you do that, you can explain or not.?
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The difference is you are looking at profiles when you lose to validate a belief that it is your teammates that are causing you to lose, and then using that as evidence that somehow the game is stacked against you.
Volun was checking profiles because he assumed that person always trolled, and was willing to admit that the information he found there proved him wrong.
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Read my last paragraph.
And I also I never told you to never check. My exact quote was:
You also shouldn’t JUST look when you lose badly.
And even though Mamekan said not to, he later clarified you can do whatever you want, you just have to use your tools correctly, which you weren’t when you were making broad statements to confirm what you thought was happening.
Hoku, I’m sorry but that’s not what I was doing, I made other posts in that other thread explaining, if someone trolling or someone with bad stats wants to sit in core, I’d like to see their history. FYI I don’t always lose those games.
I tried to explain this in the last thread, and I generally get along with you, but to make it clear, I do not blame people for my losses. You didn’t read my other posts in that topic where I tried to make that abundantly clear.
And I don’t think that’s what’s going on,
Their butcher threw, and Volun wanted to know why, that’s legit. In his own words, he doesn’t know, nor do I.
You didn’t emphasize JUST in your original post but whatever.
Again, I don’t do that. Losses happen I’m ok with that, I want to just see if people are having a bad day or are trolls. Basically what you said in your post, checking up on butcher. To reiterate I don’t blame people for losses, I know my posts aren’t poetry, but for this issue specifically I think I’ve said this like 5 times now.
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So I have to cap every potential word where someone might have reading comprehension issues? Are you serious? SHOULD I WRITE LIKE THIS THEN?
I do. And it’s weird if people don’t. As has been said multiple times, my issue was not that you check people’s profiles, it’s that you said that your allies get worse and enemies get harder as you get up in rank, and only checking certain instances to make those statements is clearly confirmation bias.
I’ve been following this conversation, and you did indeed make the above point very clear. I do profile snooping too if I encounter someone who just sits in base, or after they die once, rage-quit or AFK in base. If I’ve been reading your intention correctly, like you, I might look at such a player’s profile, not because I want some kind of confirmation to blame them for my loss, but out of simple curiosity.
The thing is, I also do this when I encounter a player on my team who is exceptionally skilled. I want to see what their lifetime win rate is like, or if they play ranked, what rank they are, or if they are a OTP on the hero they were playing, etc.
All of this is down to basic curiosity, and not because I want to confirm why I won or lost a match.
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If people are profile checking others when they lose then they could do it aswell when they win. See if anything stands out.
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I have nothing to say on this. I think you are misinterpreting what is said however. To put in context, here is what I said
on what you said
I think where we disagree is that, if I have a loss, a real bad one, I can look at stats, win rates, and history, so if a player has a 30% win rate overall and I’m above 50 or even 60 why am I matched with them? And why after I’ve won 3 straight games?
This last quote is different. The last part of the first sentence and especially the last sentence quite changes the whole meaning.
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Hey Mamekan, yes we disagreed in the last thread, my indifference was that you assumed that I only do this when I lose when that’s not the case. It’s mostly when someone is obnoxiously trolling and touting a big percentage rate. These things don’t really mesh together, that’s why I check, sometimes.
I really have to say again, I don’t blame losses on trolls or throwers, there is always an opportunity to win.
So with all that in mind, I might have misinterpreted what you said, however, I basically just wanted to say that I don’t like quitters and people who sit in base after a few minutes. I think we can relate to that.
So for real, good luck in the Nexus, this argument as sputtered out of control, and I don’t want to argue with you anymore.
Peace
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I do this on the 5mans regardless of outcome, it’s peak.