This is the best Azmodan build

Before patch laser build was best hands down no contest.
After this patch nerfed laser build to the ground Globe build is now best build hands down no contest.

  1. Gluttony
  2. Hellforged Armor
  3. Master of Destruction
  4. Tide of Sin
  5. Brutish Vanguard
  6. Total Annihilation
  7. Pride

My average 400 annihilation timing is 14minutes. You heard that right. 14minutes into the game I hit 400 annihilation. If you’re not hitting this then you need to get better. Laser build gets 400 annihilation by 22minutes so Globe build is that much better.

The fastest way to get annihilation is to not die. As in to stay alive. Which means play like a coward and don’t try to get kills. Throw your demon out. Throw your globe out. Do NOT laser. I repeat, do NOT laser. Pretend that skill doesn’t exist. The only time you should laser is if your team is kicking ***. Like either an enemy dived into all 5 of you. Or your team got the entire other team stunned. But if the fight is even-stevens aka neutral, do NOT laser. Never laser. Don’t even think laser exists. If you laser when your opponent’s team is able you are ****ed. I’m not kidding. If you laser you want to keep the laser on him so you move in and them BAM. You die because you’re slow, you’re fat, and you got no escape. DONT LASER.

Azmodan has no escape nor sustain nor single target damage. So in a 1v1 situation you will always die. Always. Against a guy who can kite you, you will always die. So I repeat. DO NOT LASER. Throw globe. Send your demon out. And stay the hell back. This is how you generate the most annihilation. I’m not kidding when I say each death costs you 50 annihilation. So you died 5 times? That’s 250 annihilation you wasted by being dead. No wonder you hit 400 annihilation at 22minutes. Using laser will get you killed 100% of the time so DONT LASER.

Another thing. DO NOT CROSS THE MID LINE. Don’t push unless the entire other team is dead. Don’t try to steal camps. Never cross the mid line. Hell don’t even try to push with an objective or boss on your side. You cross the mid line then you’re dead because you’re fat, you’re slow, and you’re weak. Even 1 hero will solo kill you.

Oh and DONT GET CAMPS. Every second you waste killing a camp is less annihilation. So unless a teammate is pinging like crazy for you to help with a camp, DONT GET CAMPS. At least, before 400 annihilation. Once you hit 400 then capture all the camps you want.

So how do you generate annihilation?

  1. By hitting heroes every 10 seconds with globe. 14minutes that’s 84 globes, 4 annihilation each that’s 336 annihilation just from throwing a globe and hitting 1 hero for 14minutes.
  2. Throw a globe onto a wave and then laser the mage. he will blow up and kill the entire wave giving you 14 annihilation every 30 seconds. Notice that I said globe FIRST laser 2nd. Throw globe first. If your globe is too strong and kills the mage creep then laser the ranged creep.

14 every 30 seconds, 4 every 10 seconds for a total of 22annihilation every 30 seconds. 22 x 28 = 616 annihilation by 14minutes. Yeah, you have no excuse not hitting 400 annihilation by 14minutes. I know i know, you don’t get 14 annihilation until you hit level 7 which is god knows when and depends on entire game. Still, you have no excuse.

Playstyle. How to play Azmodan? Simply put, **** your team. You are playing world of warcraft, not a moba. I’m serious. **** your team and do your own thing which is mass annihilation. Join team fights NOT to win objective, but to get annihlation. If you lose your objective so be it. Don’t give a ****. I mean it. Don’t give a flying **** that your entire team died and you lost the objective. Your goal is to not die and get annihilation. So throw globes to get annihilation and run the **** away. If enough of your teammates die just ditch. Don’t commit.

Before master of destruction just go to where there are lots of enemy heroes and just throw globes at them. If it’s a large map then just throw a globe onto one hero every 10 seconds. After master of destruction do the opposite. Stop fighting altogether and go for empty lanes you can land your combo to get 14 annihilation. Still go to objectives because 8 annihilation every 10 seconds is better than 14 annihilaiton every 30 seconds. But once again, never laser, dont die, and give up objective. Don’t be a hero. **** objectives.

Once you get tide of sin, now its 14 + 14 + 4 = 32 annihlation every 30seconds. Magic number is 180. If you have 180 annihilation, Tide of Sin globe will wipe out an entire creep wave in a single shot. So Globe + master of destruction your current lane for 14 annihilation, then Tide of Sin Globe an adjacent lane for another 14 annihilation. You truly have no excuse not hitting 400 annihilation by 14minutes.

Once you hit pride, your Globe WITHOUT tide of sin will wipe an entire wave out in a single shot. In addition you get a cd reduc of 2+ seconds. I’m not kidding when I say you can push all 3 lanes with this. Throw a globe bot, immediately move to mid. Throw a globe mid, immediately move to top. Throw a globe top. And repeat until you win. If you can’t win with 0 deaths and pushing all 3 lanes, your team is trash and its not your fault.

If you think you’re not doing enough damage in a team fight, DONT LASER. Your team is just trash. If you actually crunch the numbers, your globe alone should be doing more damage than Jaina (without icy veins) so if your not doing any damage because of the other team’s sustain, your team is trash and there’s nothing you can do. DONT LASER. Instead ditch and go split push. There’s no reason to team fight if you know you can’t win.

Some might think Gluttony conflicts with Tide of Sin because Tide of Sin’s cd isn’t reduced but you’re wrong. It’s not uncommon to get like 3 seconds of cd reduc per shot which means your globe is gonna be off cd within like 2-3 seconds of Tide of Sin coming off cd.

Don’t expect your demon to do anything. You need hell rift to get them in sufficient numbers and you can’t use hell rift without sin’s grasp and greed which you don’t have. But the other demon talents are worse so you go brutish vanguard and hellforged armor. I mean, one talent requires you to AUTOATTACK. Yeah, if laser is unacceptable, auto attacks are 100 times more unacceptable. So this goes without saying. DONT AUTOATTACK.

Don’t get Demonic Invasion. It requires you to cross the mid line. It also kills your annihilation generation by not getting Tide of Sin. Demonic Invasion does less damage than 25% of a fort or tower, huge cd, requires you to get within gank range. Just no, don’t get it. Its trash.

And I think that just about covers everything. If you have any questions feel free to post below.

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I would like to see a replay

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E build with Greed and Demonic Invasion is still the strongest. Stacks are less required.
Gluttony doesn’t fit with Master of Destruction at all. You need Art of Chaos.
Full Q build is doing average.
Siegebreaker doesn’t seem to be the pick anymore.

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Indeed. I stil prefer demonic invasion, even after the nerf. Tides of Sins doesn’t really feel like an heroic, it’s like old Lucio, when Reverse AMP was his second heroic.

Maybe it’s just me, but I prefer double summon at 4, because I like it to prevent skillshots and also in combination with E on 16 to get easily 3 demons.

I am not surprised, because it has rather long cooldown, he would need an cdr talent for Q to be better than average. Maybe buff Tides of Sins that reduces the cooldown for more heroes it hits.

EDIT:

Actually two. The green orb at 1 and the purple orb talent at 7 when you can stack your Q faster after hitting with Q.

Thats why i wanna see the replay. Maybe it works great with his playstyle

I also thought greed was the strongest but maybe he breaks the meta

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The reason why I think that Greed is unsurprisingly the strongest is pretty simple it fits his kit more than the other options based around Q. You don’t get much value out of your demons (W/trait) with Q-build. That’s why Q-build sucks. Azmo and Zagara are probably the only ranged assassines who still are specialists.

Im already convinced greed is the best
Then the purple then the green

Actually I would disagree here, I don’t think the green is the worst, but it’s actually better than the purple, but it requires you to AA your enemy and that’s what most players fail to do. Even OP is argueing not to AA… so of course for him it’s the probably the worst option, but in fact it isn’t. It’s just the hardest.

A friend of mine is an Azmodan player and he uses the green orb everytime and he stacks his quest pretty fast with it.

It gives the worst late game potential because you are very immobile and fat so easy to hit with any skillshot

The extra damage is nice but your main damage comes from your Q’s then your laser. Not the autoattacks

No offense but I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. I don’t think anyone ever would tell you to go Art of Chaos after the laser explosion change.

Both MoD and Art of Chaos’s purpose is to generate annihilation faster. MoD generates annihilation faster 100% of the time. There is literally no reason to go Art of Chaos. So going Art of Chaos with Gluttony makes 0 sense.

Master of Destruction lets you kill an entire wave and get 14 annihilation from that in literally 1 second. And best of all, you don’t need to chase enemy heroes around. Just hop from one wave to another blowing them up in 1 second.

Art of Chaos forces you to auto attack and train a wave to kill it. And for what? +4 annihilation when you hit 2 heroes? +40 mana? I’m gonna go out on a limb and say less than 25% of your globes pre-pride are ever gonna hit more than 1 hero because of how easy it is to walk out of it so the only time you’re ever gonna hit more than 1 hero is if they’re trying to gank a teammate. Even in team fights the entire opposing team regularly stops what they’re doing and go out of their way to walk out of the Globe AoE.

Am I wrong? Is there an azmodan player out there who agrees that Art of Chaos is better than MoD in gluttony builds?

Anyways I disagree. MoD is best 7th level talent for all builds except rightclick build and that’s only because rightclick build revolves around bombardment.

I have like 300 games with Azmodan and even before the nerf I found it severely lackluster.

Maybe it’s a QM thing. Maybe in organized play demonic invasion is good but in QM it’s trash. It took serious effort to get Demonic Invasion off every time it cds. And for what it does it’s not worth it.

Its damage in teamfights are severely disappointing. Assassions wipe em out in a single burst. Tanks just ignore it. If the enemy team backs off you’ve wasted it.

Tide of Sin on the other hand, increases your annihilation generation by at least 50-75% and combined with pride can turn teamfights.

But then again I am a QM exclusive so maybe I should’ve said that in the first post. For QM this is the best Azmodan build.

Yeah i could see that. Blocking skill shots. But if you’re not blocking skill shots that 20sec cd is absolute murder. Hellforged Armor + Brutal Vanguard forces your opponents to acknowledge your demons are a threat and try to ditch them. Army of hell on the other hand, people seem to just walk out of their way and the 2 demons leave the fight.

I guess I prefer tower tanker rather than skill shot blocker. But then again I am a mega coward who pretends he’s the most important player on his team and stays the hell back so skill shots are never aimed at me.

Replay for what? its an azmodan who stays back and throws globes. And lasers only when his team outnumbers the other team never before. I mean it’s not rocket science. I doubt you’ll be wow’d by my performance in a QM game. I think i did a thorough job explaining the playstyle in the 1st post.

Stay back, work extra hard to generate 400 annihilation by 14min, let everyone else die instead of you, throw globes and demons and dont laser unless your team has momentum, and give up objectives instead of trying to be a hero.

How the hell are you staying alive with your fat slow *** long enough to deal AA damage?

You get into jump range of the enemy and you’re gonna get jumped and die 100% of the time. Why would anyone not go for the slow fatass for an easy kill?

Bombardment is fastest I agree. I hit 400annihilation in 10minutes. But you do way more damage in the long run with Gluttony because you’re alive longer.

Did you never encountered “Azmodan’s backdoor strat”?:

People on the forum named him “Suicide-Azmodan” for a reason, because he just went to enemy structures and dropped the bomb to get easy structures for his deaths. That’s why it got nerfed, because it was too powerful and non-interactive.

That means you don’t use it in teamfights, but to cheese out structures.

In your case it makes sense, because you play him as a “mage”, but I play him as a pusher. Different purposes, both valid.

You know that you also have the biggest health pool comparable to some tanks?

I guess I didn’t. I’ve never seen an azmodan suicide for a fort when I’m not azmodan. I remember suiciding for a fort trying to get demonic invasion to work and doing only 25% damage to a tower before getting ganked.

I’m gonna go see if there’s a yt video of it. I’ve never seen split push work on any hero. Ever. Unless the team with the split pusher can win 4v5 teamfights the split pusher always costs the game. Always. Like the other team just gets a boss and goes for the throne, other lanes be damned. And they have storm tier advantage from feeding off then 5v4 fights.

Doesn’t matter in my experience. Tanks survive because they got something that makes em hard to kill in addition to the health like sustain or mobility. I remember my right click Azmodans. They throw globe, try to AA only to get CC’ed, and then I spend all my time running for my life and then getting kited to death, and only surviving if my team saves me, at which point I’m too low to try and go in for another round of AA.

I forgot to mention the worst part about bombardment builds. You gotta SAVE your globe. As in you don’t throw it as soon as its off cd. You throw it when you’re in range to AA. So while I’ll concede it has bigger burst it’s total damage output is severely less than globe.

Rightclick build only works with coordinated wombo combo burst comps.
Laser build is for split pushing forts I guess?
And globe build is for everything else including teamfights and pressuring all lanes.

Im gonna go on a limb and say in QM teamfights are more important than everything else.

I wanna see this yes
Im intrested. Like I mentioned maybe your playstyle is something I can learn from

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How do you share replays here?

Go to heroesprofile.com and upload your replays, then you can link them like that:

type or paste code here

https://www.heroesprofile.com/Global/TalentBuilder/?hero=Azmodan&timeframe_type=minor&timeframe=2.54.2.85576,2.54.2.85551&game_type=sl&league_tier=master,diamond

Compare both builds
[T1031224,azmodan]
[T2012113,azmodan]

You’ll notice that the Greed build wins only 1% more than Gluttony during the late game, but it’s 4% better pre lvl 10 for the reason that I’ve already mentioned. Select Hellforged Armor to see the results at the bottom. MoD with Gluttony and ToS makes no sense. Both MoD and ToD do the same job on minion waves and AoC is much more popular than MoD for the build.

I’ve seen both playstyle from Cris and Leonblack, as they’re one of the most knowledgeable players.

AoS and ToS go well together.
Use ToS on minion waves until lvl 18 and 300 stacks. After, ToS isn’t required to one shot the ranged minions.
Before that, normal Q on at least 2 heroes to get the mana back.
This strategy is mana efficient or safer and will get you stacked fast from both PvP and PvE.

If done right, it chunks 41% of a fort at lvl 10 and 50% at lvl 15.

https://streamable.com/1zmwxs

You need to aggro the tower shots with a Demon Warrior and/or Demon Lieutenant and you need to calculate that there’re no enemies around the fort including a minion wave and heroes.

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No, no, no.

Here’s the best Azmodan build.

  1. Volatile Acid
  2. Medusa blades or envenomed Spines
  3. Baneling Massacre
  4. Any
  5. Hydralisk Transfusion
  6. Corrosive Saliva
  7. Pack instinct.
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I main azmo & ham. My talents:

Gluttony
Army of hell
Master of destruction
Tide of Sin
Cydea’s kiss(or whatever it’s called)
Total annihilation
Pride -or- Sin’s grasp(if i don’t have enough annihilation)

Unless you’re going to pick greed? It’s not even worth it to buff the monsters. Just put it all on globe & lasers.

Pick the trample talent to see a fatzodan trample over any hero

Even if you loose. You win

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Trample is a terrible talent. Total Annihilation & Hell Rift are MUCH better.