Change my mind:
Also - you can’t use the argument - “BUT QM IS FOR PRACTICE AND TRYING NEW HEROES.”
No, that’s incorrect.
1: Blizzard has never made an official statement that QM was solely for trying new heroes and for fun. If Blizzard is making balance decisions around quick match. Then it’s a mode to be taken seriously until they stop.
2: Unranked is just as bad.
3: Try to be original in your arguments kids. < - this is a joke.
Would you rather them practice in ranked?
They may not have outright said that QM is solely for practicing new heroes or fun, but they also did not say it could not be used for that purpose either. Qm is meant to be the mode where you can pick any hero with no pressure to change for the sake of comps/meta and play it in a pvp setting. People can play QM as a serious mode, for practice, and/or for fun.
Also if they added level restrictions, people would only be able to reliably level heroes in Ai, and the AI can be outright dumb and lead to bad habits that may make them worse when they are able to get into QM.
If pros uses AI matches and Try Mode before playing new heroes.
You should as well.
If I am trying a new hero I will make sure that I can stand on my own with elite AI before I go into a quick match to refine my skills with said hero. After that level does not matter really. I seen lv 100s with a hero do mistakes that a lv 5 would do.
True - but you should at least know how YOUR BASIC FREAKING SKILLS DO BEFORE TORTURING 4 OTHER PEOPLE.
It’s just selfish. It’s selfish to think you’re above a few games in AI just to read talents, figure out how your skills work and anyone else says otherwise is just written off in my book.
your idea here is flawed because while its true you can get a basic understanding of how a hero works in AI… you can never master it in AI. this is because of the human factor. QM provides a non-draft and non-ranked mode where you can play your heroes against other players. over time that can make your skills better.
Good strawman.
When in my post did I ever mention mastering a hero in AI?
Just to get basic understanding of the skill shots and talents.
I’m not against making QM for a clown mode when we finally get a safe place where we can play without “chill, it’s just a game” idiots. 16 heroes at level 5, regardless of win rate, kda, game mode, and people can derp around on ranked. Why couldn’t they do it in an unranked casual game mode? I don’t like it that people can ignore their teammates and ruin the game for 9 players because of poor skill assessment, matchmaking (1k MMR range), level 1 heroes matched with level 100 ones and careless loser attitude, but where else to do it? They refuse to play vs AI because once they tried the beginner one and it was too easy, so they “know” that AI is boring. I don’t know why certain ~15k dmg 8 deaths players feel AI humiliating when it IS above their skill level.
If I should choose a game mode where I can hide from these players that definitely wouldn’t be QM, but unfortunately a game mode like this doesn’t exist, and casual badsters are allowed to ruin games in every game mode regardless of rank (s1 placement mess rulez) without consequences.
And how would you be supposed to reach that level requirement? Vs AI? Lul, no thx.
Since above 70% of the player base are gold/silver.
Majority of you are not above going to AI for a few matches to get used to skill shots and talents.
Blizzard has never made an official statement that QM should be taken seriously.
An argument discarded without any other information to go on.
The irony is that these argumments are pretty broad and unoriginal. The superiority complex to be among childern is a little strange if you stand among them.
Hmm…, let’s see here:
Do you have a major share in Blizz that allow you to make such decision? Extremely unlikely (like lower than 0).
Is this a feature asked by the majority of the player base? Again, no. Unless you somehow able to show proof that you’ve collected thousands of signatures supporting your idea.
So, the answer is NO. You don’t have the power to enforce the change, neither do you have the support of the playerbase to make such demand.
The fact you took a damn joke seriously. I can dismiss everything. Cool.
you mentioned it passively when you brought pros into the discussion. thereby saying that since players who have already mastered their heroes play “X” mode you should do it too.
Mate: I mention that pros TRY heroes first in AI or Try Mode first. Not mastering them.
Its not about mastering, its about finding out the potential a hero has. Imagine alarak as new hero. Sure, the introduction video might give an indication of what he can do. But before you play him you still dont realy have a decent idea because those videos always show the best/worst case.
For alarak you realy dont want to spend half the round finding out the ideal way to use W+Q. Not to mention finding out how maiev works (after 10 vs AI games i still am mostly clueless with her, i cant imagine how horrible the PvP games would go with her).
A single run in vs AI mode does a lot because although they are easy, they at least still provide some resistance, and they defend a lot better than try mode (which due to its beginner AI is absolutely useless for testing purposes). If you know a few combos that can work, you can put them to the test in PvP later.
If you cant beat the enemy in vs AI, then you also shouldnt use it in PvP. If you spend 3 PvP rounds to find out that you arent good at the hero, you are wasting the game for 12 people.
I use QM to lvl all my new heroes to 5 (sometimes I do 1 AI at first, but I usually don’t; sometimes I do read the talents first, but that usually happens before the hero is even released and I already have a build in mind, sometimes I don’t (e.g., for Malganis I just went with highest winrate talents from Hotslogs)).
Results of my last few leveled heroes:
Blaze 5-0
Deckard 5-0
Ana 5-1
Yrel 4-1
Whitemane 2-1 (finished in TL)
Malganis 4-1
It would seem that the ones punished for me playing a new hero are my opponents, not my teammates. P.S. The main reason this happens is the MMR reduction when playing low lvl heroes - it may be too severe and I’m matched to way too weak oppoents when lvling the heroes (my overall QM mmr is actually higher than HL/TL, so that is not a factor).
P.S. I tried to skip QM on orphae and go straight to TL. Currently at 0-2 XD. QM leveling is the best option.
Sometimes i play Mine build Abathur in QM because i like it even if its not the best but because its fun for me.
Are you telling me I can’t take my level 2 Mephisto in a game with my friends and then carry hardcore in QM, but instead I have to use BOTS first?!
ME?!
BOTS?!
The mode exists because HotS is a game all about playing characters who you find interesting, as in its almost entirely Blizzard characters from other universes in a mash up. QM is how people can onetrick characters they love (Alarak fans being able to spam Alarak every game) and will never be balanced due to the nature of random team comps and how much emphasis HotS puts on your hero being what lets you do whatever you feel like. Unlike DotA where the emphasis is on the items.
If players were forced to do vs AI to play the heroes they want, that wouldn’t make them any better at the character past “What do my buttons do” which for most people is solved before the gates open or solved by turning on try mode for like 30 seconds.
Now if you suggested “People must turn on try mode for a few seconds” or “Heroes have videos of what their abilities and talents do in the shop like League has” then I’d be more inclined to agree. However making me not play characters that I want just because they’re low level would be extremely infuriating and add nothing to the gaming experience of those I play with both premade and not.
Also I don’t care about what Pros do to get better, I’m playing the game primarily to have fun.
Your complaint about not knowing what abilities do could be solved by literally just having a short 3-10 second video showcasing each ability against a target dummy.
AI wouldn’t teach (me at least) how anything works either, they’re rather dumb in that they love to deathball most of the time.