This is the biggest hold up in the game. The last Anomaly (Medal) was an attempt and acknowledgement that there is an issue.
I’ve played almost every MOBA the past 15 years. I think if the Mass CC issue is addressed, this game would be in a much better place.
What is the current plan to fix it?
What I can totally agree on is the amount of unnecessary Slows in this game.
I hope one or both of the below solutions are considered and implemented:
Was going to post exactly this.
Something like Kharazim’s dash cleanse, but comes online much sooner than level 16. Which requires some thinking and skill to use, and is high enough cooldown to not be spammable (say, 20-30s).
This need big change and soon. In this moment is like big rush to backline whitout care becouse they know there is nothing to stop or evoid them. Medailon maybe broke some heroes but they shoud let it atleast on healers and maybe some specific heroes.
I’d like a flat cut in cc duration for all heroes kits but honestly hots isn’t even that bad of a cc chain compared to other mobas
Diminishing returns on the amount of hard & soft CC you receive all at once, with a steep curve. Shouldn’t be an insta-death because x2 players managed to hit you with a skill shot at the same time…
Actually they’d have had to time it so they chain cc right after another
I think baseline would be too strong. Some heroes become useless if their CC can be negated consistently (Butcher is bad enough as it is).
And coordinating attacks is pretty hard. HAving one hero who can always say no would be a bummer.
Pretty sure that hero would be perma banned.
Twitter Jackson about this. Browder reacted back in the days to these kind of requests and he agreed with the people that too much cc is a problem. Three weeks later they reduced the duration of the stun-abilities.
Wait what unstoppable/dodge/invulnerable does Butch have
Butcher’s E makes him unstoppable while charging so he can interrupt a Mosh Pit with it, while Blaze wouldn’t be able to do the same with his E.
In certain skirmish situations, it also means that if you bait cc from the enemy team and activate your charge at the perfect time he will become unstoppable at the precise moment the enemy throws out some cc at you. It can outright win fights if used correctly since they’ll probably have no more cc left for you after you connect your charge. Having said that, in practice this is extremely difficult to pull off, and most competent enemies just wait to cc you and blow you up the moment you finish/connect your charge (when you will be the most vulnerable), so in reality Butcher’s E self-cleanse strategy seldom works on competent players.
Advice from the butcher himself.
Thank you.
please bring the medallion back. ppl are getting hit by gravo bombs and then chain cc’d into oblivion over and over
The problem is not the CC in general, but the power creep in this game: Every new hero gets more and more different sorts of CC and AOEs that cover so much ground that in some matches you hardly have any free spot to stand without being CCed constantly.
Take Mei’s huge Blizzard AOE circle that already slows you. If you don’t move right away you are stunned. Why the stun? Why does she need it by the way? Or take Gaz’s new bomb timers: One split second reacted too late = stunned.
If you then take older heroes, they may have ONE slow in their kit, or a root. New heroes have everything: From slow to stun and they keep adding more and more into single hero kits. There should be heroes in this game that come with special immunities like a hero that never can be slowed or a hero that cannot be stunned longer than 0.5s or whatever.
The stun locks in this game has become huge. Sometimes when you think you have this half second in between stuns and you press the button like crazy, nothing happens anway and you are CC chained until you are dead. Those are the most annoying moments. When you press buttons, nothing happens and you can see your hero dying 100:0 without any action at all you can take.
Maybe Blizzard could make peace with the fact that their war on Relentless was silly at best.
Just make the CC duration reduction mechanic more of a thing over time and things will be fine.
This only makes the CC problem worse. Reason is that it starts an arms race.
Too much CC? We make heroes immune/resistant to CC. This doesn’t do anything to help existing heroes though. But because of these new heroes immune/resistant to CC, oh CC isn’t that strong anymore, at some point it might even be buffed. Then we get more heroes resistant to CC.
So now we have a pool of heroes resistant to CC, a pool of heroes with overpowered CC and a pool of heroes that get wrecked by CC but to compensate, probably wrecks the heroes who are resistant to CC (rock scissors paper).
Arms race like this make the game won or lost at the draft screen, turn it more into a game of rock scissors paper than a game of skill and obviously ruins quickmatch because there’s no drafting in qm so whether you get hard-countered (e.g. you pick CC and they have CC resistance) or you hard counter them (you pick CC and they have no CC resistance) is a coin flip (although quickmatch is arguably already imbalanced to the extreme so it’s hard to make it worse
Because if it was just a slow, it would be a useless ability. Also, it does that in Overwatch (kind of - it has a stacking slow, and reaching max stacks freezes you). Mei isn’t that particularly powerful of a tank, considering her only hard CC is on a long delay.
You mean like Deathwing? A character that already exists?
Then… Don’t get hit by grav o bomb long wind up in the first place?
Gazno winrate and popularity is way too high. I compared his ult to illaoi’s ult. You can’t hard engage until the ult is down or 2-3 people WILL get hit and wombo comboed unless 5 people on your team is mobile or has on-demand cleanse. Late game gazno ult is one of THE best teamfight ults and the rest of his kit isn’t bad either. Luckily he isn’t ranged in aa or all balance in this game is dead
I think medallion was good but besides that I think it allowed even low level players to realize without medallion there’s literally no hope against cc. The ball is now in the devs court and for them to decide if tackling cc is a problem worth or not