To expand more on the title of this thread.
I am soaking 2 lanes, doing camps on cooldown, stopping murky push etc, essentially doing all of the PVE work.
But my team is an ARAM team that is managing to die 27 times in 15 minutes and we’re 2 levels down despite all of the soak and macro.
What do you even do? I can’t leave the lanes and join the ARAM or the the exp gap will just get even larger. I can’t keep wasting my time in the lanes cause my soak is being made meaningless from the nonstop feed. And my team doesn’t even seem to be trying not to die, it’s hard to distinguish if they are trolling or just awful at the game.
Do I just give up here and wait for the next game?
Top and mid is you, bot is 4men. Your team loses. Right?
If you can rotate bot for a kill that can give your team an edge which might be enough to stop the feed.
Or you can push hard.
Can you take camps fast?
These are your options. If not enough, happens. Just try to get more and more value.
Never give up. There are lateboomer Heroes.
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I take the camps fast and can push relatively hard. Exterminator Raynor is my main choice in my scenario. And my team isn’t bot lane. I’m having to weave inbetween all 3 lanes all match, the only time my team isn’t mid is when they’re going for an objective.
Don’t hit structures and stop doing camps that will deny your own soak if left unattended.
Keep hitting minions on a safe path.
You can consider to rotate to your team, but only if you think you’ll make a good impact. It’s hard to judge for players below master. Trial and error.
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Three options imo:
- The game is just unwinnable, move on to the next match
- Join the mindless brawlers anyway (even if you say you can’t) and pick up a kill or two then go back to soaking
- Push a single lane as hard as you can to the core, if possible try to even damage or take the core down alone.
I have dealt with all three scenarios. And no, sometimes there just isn’t anything you can do. Sometimes there is. Depends on just how bad the feeders are and how bad the enemy team is
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If you give up they will just report you for afk so either just join them or keep pushing lanes and hope enemy team never notiest it and sends someone back to defend.
I had one game as Illidan where I managed to push a lane all down to core and took it down to 25% before they reacted and went back to kill me.
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Depends on the situation (mmr range). At low mmr range, they might get tunnelvisioned and ignore camps and catapults that can build momentum or losen the enemy’s.
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If you’re truly counter pushing against a pushing Murky, then you’re doing what you can. I’m a bit suspicious about this kind of framing though. More often than not, you encounter someone who is just obsessed with PVE and never helping out in team fights.
If you’re just doing mercs, and never attending fights, even during objectives, you better be damn good at pushing, and even then you should occasionally swing by to tip the odds in your team’s favor if there’s a good opportunity.
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Keep soaking. Once they are pushing into your keeps/core hard consider falling back to partake in final defence and then take the loss.
Hope for recovery is at final defence where you have the most advantage which is why you need to be there. If you manage to secure a team wipe not only will you cancel out their level advantage but also buy time to push. This can turn into a landslide that wins.
If you try to roll with them before then chances are you will either die or at least not be very productive while having to wait from them to revive. The enemy is also likely to get an even bigger level advantage making that final defence turn around even more difficult to pull off.
There may be value trying to compete for an objective. But if you stand little chance of securing kills or winning a team fight due to dead allies it is likely a waste of time.
well, I can’t contribute but I learnt some things so thanks OP and people here
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At some point you have to bite the dust.
If the enemie is mirroring you (like murky probably did) and soaking the lanes as well, you won’t close any gap.
Because of the underdog bonus, winning a teamfight will give you much more exp then you could ever soak in the 3 minutes till the next objective is spawning.
You have to join the fight and make it a 5v4. Especially if your team is loosing the 4v4 hard.
It is okay to soak, if you will hit the next talent tier in time and join the fight with an additional talent.
That is absolutely not what you want to draft to double soak.
Exterminator can do a lot of g to structures but the waveclear is still to slow and Raynor has no escape if the enemies are setting up a gank.
Also if the murky is somehow smart, he will avoid the direct contact with you cause a good murky knows that he loose a 1:1 vs raynor.
But he will out push you realy hard if he rotates smart.
There is nothing you can do against that. Because even with exterminator your waveclear is way to slow.
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Easiest way I’ve found to break up a 4v4 that you’re losing is to start taking buildings. Likely, someone on the enemy team will notice you taking their buildings and start pinging to defend and their 4-man will disperse to address you. That opens them up for mistakes that your team can capitalize on if fighting them head-on isn’t working. Just make sure you’re aware of them starting to rotate so you don’t die. If you die, then they go straight back to bottom and continue crushing your team.
Time your camps properly, take them right before an objective spawns, or to put pressure on the map which allows you to invade their side of the map so you can potentially take their camps. And then push a different lane, don’t go to the same lane that the camps are pushing. This forces a reaction from the enemy team, and gives your team control of the map.
If they’re bad enough to keep feeding and not adapt or attempt adapting…then you’ve 2 choices:
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Join them anyhow. If you backup your leeroyjenkins you might end up turning that mess into a game-winning scenario…or you’ll lose faster. Either way, game state will evolve faster.
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Keep macroing and pray it pans out. That means split pushing, camps and objectives. Unless your Rexxar you’re probably not soloing boss…so don’t do that without your team and being up 2+ heroes.
I’m going to be the negative guy now 
Starting with acknowledging the above suggestions about trying to push something specific to force them to rotate.
However, in the grand scheme of things, carrying the bad doesn’t do any favor. They’ll rank up, and just fail harder. It certainly feels good to win against all the odds, but think about this: would you want to play the next match with your team against even better opponents?
(Generally, that’s why you want to play alongside people who have lost many matches in a row, as opposed to those who are winners.)
My usual solution is to do a random mix of things. Soak, join, take camps, 1v1 a bit. If it turns around, great, if it doesn’t, see above.
Everyone will reach their proper mmr range.
Not carrying will do you no favor at all. You just slow your climb/placement down.
The carried baddies will lose most the time when their team lacks a climbing (carry) player anyway.
It’s all fine in the end.
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“Might” isn’t enough to be reliable in most cases.
The best course of action is to fill gaps that differentiate low and high mmr players relative to getting an advantage.
You take camps to sustain an advantage, not to overboard it. I’ve won many 12v15 by rushing lvl 13 from minions, then forcing fights. Camps are too slow to close gaps as they yield poor xp aside from Hamanura. A clear ref is Rag E build + Lava Wave in low mmr which is 8% WR over the other bruisers. He isn’t fast at taking camps, but he’s a minion slayer.
If your team is feeding, they won’t be the ones defending gates from minions. It’s not the end of the world to lose towers, but they assist you a lot when you’re rotating to quickly catch the xp. So, don’t lose towers while you’re taking a camp.
I won games of “my allies just brawl and I need to be at all 3 lanes or else we lose every soak” by getting camps or pushing hard, that’s why I suggested it, and added the uncertainity because I know it’s not the “best on paper” move, but it can work.
Everything depends on the exact situation and how you utilise or counter it. Better to try out things for yourself so you can learn when and how to act, how to read the situation.
But yea, Rag is a good Hero to even out lvls.
What ELO range is it? There isn’t a one size fits all here…
Assuming it is below plat - DO NOT do camps solo, it is not worth the time, health and mana at this level. You are much better off soaking better or even do structure damage.
You win those games by hard engaging when one of enemies goes to depush the lane you pushed previously, getting those 5v4 or 5v3s and rolling into bosses / forts. If your team still loses the 5v3 then yeah… not every game is winable.
Alternatively you hunt their soaker and kill them 1v1 repeatedly. Doing camps requires zero skill so naturally the return is low, if you are better then the enemy then outplay them and get kills.
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^ ^ An ARAM match? That’s all i needed to hear.
Nobody attempts to play ARAM seriously. It’s the pick-up-and-play mode. Hence, all the non-stop dying. They don’t really care about the match and just want to slug it out.
Wait, why are you salty over ARAM hijinks?