It’s not fun to play.
Thanks!
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The problem is that people in this game just want to brawl and BHB is a map that you can win basically without even fighting. You can win this map with a crappy team comp by just avoiding the enemy and get coin camps instead.
But most players in this game don’t understand this map and never will. That is why this map is bad for QM. If people lack the basic understanding of a map and play every map like it is ARAM, then you just fail.
Abd btw: WHJ is even less fun to play, especially after the rework that not only butchered the map optically by adding sewer entries that do not fit the map style but also mechanically. Worse snowbally than ever because you no longer can counter push the other side of the map when in 5s the enemy will just move from top to bottom and surround you. Also the single boss made this game completely snowbally. Worst map in the pool at the moment.
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As much as I’m tempted to reply “yes just burn BHB and then throw it into the deep briny depths”, the map has its place and some fans. It’s not your standard map that’s focused on team fighting, which feels good for some, horrible for others.
If they don’t want to do any radical change, I would like it if they made the objective not destroy a whole shielded core and not competently destroy full towers and forts in one turnover. Just tone that down a bit.
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BHB is like HM just a relic of this game and shows how unbalanced a map like those were when game launced. A map were you have zero counter when the pirate start shooting at your forts and keeps.
Turning in coins and afk in base while enemy have to watch thier forts and keeps gets destroyed is just a lazy game consept that should be removed or reworked.
Having a inactive object that does what you should be doing in this map is just unbalanced.
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It’s the only map i’m actually having fun in.
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And you think that is a good design? Most people play MOBA to play against other people, not actively try to avoid them
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- Fun is subjective. I personally like that map.
- Where should I play it if it’s taken out of PvP modes? I get that it’s not in SL, but taking it out of QM is uncalled.
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Most, but not all of them. Sure, i like to fight, but i want big maps in HotS, because only in maps like BHB and WHJ this game feels really great.
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I have no proof to back this claim, but I am under the impression that the amount of people who dislike the map is larger than the amount of people who enjoy it. Why should the enjoyment of the few be focused over the enjoyment of the many?
Maybe a compromise could be to give all players one map they could ban, so people who enjoy the map could still get to play it?
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There are over 10 maps in HotS. (14 with BHB.) So the chance to get BHB is pretty low (1/14).
If map bans exist, if a team is formed no map can be used that any from the 10 players have as ban.
If what you’re saying is true and the larger group is the ppl who dislike the map (which I don’t doubt), than you need to get lucky that none of the other 9 players have that map as banned. Which is highly unlikely and even if the BHB-liker is lucky, it’s still random which map you’ll get. BHB is not guaranteed just because no one has it banned.
Basically those who would like to play on that map won’t be able.
There is no compromise in that.
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Ok that is fair. But you also mention that you do not dispute my belief, that an unknown majority of the playerbase dislikes the map. That brings me back to my earlier question, which is why should the needs of the many not be focused over the needs of the few?
God damnit I accidentally posted this as a reply to the original thread instead of to you, and now it won’t let me repost it because this message was too similar… Does it work if I add this nonsense filler ending?
Edit: It did 
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Because as I said, those who don’t like it barely see it (1/14 chance) and t here are modes where you can’t face it (SL and ARAM).
Ppl who want to avoid this map has a choice. If you remove it from QM ppl will complain why it’s in UD and we end up not having that map in any PvP mode.
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I detest BHB, but as I said above I recognize others really enjoy it. As you say, you don’t get it that often considering the map pool. It should stay, I would honestly prefer though if they just toned down how much damage the objective does.
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Or the coins would have a timer like the Gems on TotSQ. Or the coins would get halved every time they’re dropped from a Hero kill.
There are ways to tune down the snowball potential that map has.
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WHJ and BHB are just too terrible, they should be optional
I love this map! Sometimes it’s nice to take a break from the team fights and just take some camps and grab some coins. Nothing wrong with that at all since all the other maps are pvp centered. BHB is like the little island paradise in the unforgiving sea to me!
I vote no to throwing bhb away! 
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I think that is a really good idea. I think my biggest issue with the map, is that I have too many losses and too many wins, where one team loses a big fight mid-game followed by all camps being taken by the winning team and two, sometimes three consecutive objective turn-ins. It is not uncommon to win the map without ever entering the enemy team’s inner keep/core area
I think it’s fine to keep BhB in QM. It warms my heart and mind to think leavers have chance of getting stuck with it as extreme punishment 
Now if we could just kick Hanamura out of ranked and leave it as another QM punishment… 
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Correction: It’s not fun to play for you. I like this map though. Looks like OP is an sweet water mate.
Tbh. as a compromise I would like that Blizzard includes all maps like old Hanamura, old Garden of Terror or Haunted Mines, but also gives us the option to ban maps, so they could also include it in SL with that option. For example I remember that my friends I generally played with, they all hate ToD with a passion; based on that we should ban ToD too, because there are players who don’t like a certain map? My answer is no.
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As much as I don’t like this map, I do smile when I random into it as Samuro or Sonya for example.
That’s dark, I kinda like it. 
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