I usually take swipe, but I’ve seen more people take shove. In fact many say that flailing swipe sucks. Why is that?
Is it that shoving one tank away from the teamfight can win you the game, whereas swipe only delays the inevitable?
I usually take swipe, but I’ve seen more people take shove. In fact many say that flailing swipe sucks. Why is that?
Is it that shoving one tank away from the teamfight can win you the game, whereas swipe only delays the inevitable?
I find, that if you have an objectice you sit on, swipe is better since it can displace the enemy off the objective.
Shove can get a tremendous amount of value depending on the enemy comp its great as an anti dive tool outside of large maps where you can get the nost value.
Shove is a skillshot so if you can land it you will always get more value out of making it a 4v5, but if you cant land it swipe is the safer pick.
Not true.
Swipe is good for peeling an ENTIRE team off of someone you’re trying to save while shove only removes one player from the fight.
Additionally, unless you have a proper angle, shove doesn’t remove someone from a TF for too long.
Ultimately, it’s whether you want to remove a problematic player that is pestering you or your team or if you want a solid peel.
Personally, I think swipe is better because it’s more reliable but I’d go with shove if there’s dive.
Shove has a low CD and stuns on impact as well. In tight spaces it can be used for the stun alone.
Shove works wonders when up against an enemy team with a single strong dive hero. You can remove that hero from the fight giving your team an advantage that will hopefully result in kills or a won objective.
Flailing swipe value is considerabily poor compared to Massive shove’s
First there’s the cd, and almost only for this you want to go Shove
Then there’s the opportunity context, again, almost only for this, you want to go shove
saprophite and DrSuperGood said quasi all the rest
Shove transforms many situations (small to big) into win value
whereas Flailing Swipe
it’s exxagerated cause yes it’s a nice disengage tool, can be sometime usefull as an aggressive Mighty Gust but there’s the cd man…
Imo the best value you can get out of Flailing Swipe is in TF situations, get a kill then kinda disengage your team into safety to reposition and litteraly get the advantage.
On a side note, there’s something I don’t like about Swipe it’s that it never really pushes the enemies as I would imagine or would like, the skillshot is kinda clunky somehow
Oh and I forgot
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeettttt oooooooffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
is so so much fun
…almost only for this… you want to pick Shove
On the rare occassion the enemy picks Cho’gall, shove is pretty nice. Makes any objective fight 3v5 for a long time if you manage to shove them far inside their own forts.
I prefer Flailing Swipe, but it’s a really amazing peeling tool only at level 20, when you can talent into 3 charges. Dive heroes can’t touch your low hp squishies after that.