I used to play this game a lot, usually sitting in upper gold with occasional rise to platinum before getting to upper gold again, being happy with that. Now I usually install it, play for a few days, realize Iam wasting my life again and uninstall it for another few months.
With every swing around I get placed a bit lower then I ended. Lately I dipped into silver and I have seen things… 
Whats up with stat analyzing habit in silver? Quite often people spend the draft by sniffing through each others accounts and and calling into the chat each other loosing streaks or winning rate on prepicked hero, throwing a tantrum about not picking it and so on…
Never seen this and I was playing the game on and off since the open beta. Why are silvers of all people so obsessed with statistics. They hardly now anything about the game
Ps: Yes, Iam aware that Iam also silver now… sad days
My friend does it all the time, he does not loudly state win and lose rates he just quickly looks over our teammates profiles and see what roles/hero they are best at.
This also keeps him for accidently banning someone’s favorite hero without knowing.
He just suggest a player play X, Y or Z in a low key, casual way. I’m sure it happens at every rank other then the top where every player knows each other and knows who plays what.
I guess silver players don’t know how to keep it on the down low that they want you playing your best hero?
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I do this with the intent of trying to win.
Or lower my expectations.
People in silver - which is about the middle as far as numbers go - are adequately unhappy about not even being gold yet happy to stay away from bronze. There is a bit of sweat sometimes. In any event, quite often people don’t prepick, or go haywire about your prepick, and so on. So it helps to get a bit informed.
Filling a 25-30% winrate hero is not a sin, but first picking likely is (because you will get countered and someone will need to fill). Preferably, first pick should be by people who are super confident about their 55-65% winrate hero.
I don’t call people out but when it doesn’t seem to work, I just don’t sweat mid-match. Yea, 40% Li-Ming, doesn’t work this time either, can’t change much, go next.
Just like Skychase explained, I also tend to recommend heroes. Sometimes people have a fit but telling them that their 62% winrate main actually can fill, does occasionally help. I’ve been on the receiving end, too.
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As Skychase noted, this behaviour isn’t only limited to Silver rank only, I’ve also seen it in Gold and Plat, usually though player stats were called out with more subtly or as positive encouragement. “You have a great winrate on Johanna, would you mind filling tank?”
I’ve been asked variations of that question in both Gold and Platinum about filling certain healers and tanks due to a high win rate on them.
I think you can chalk this up to basic human nature, these people really want to win, so they see these stats as facts they can use to help bring about a positive outcome.
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and then there’s me who f’s everyone win rate and loose rate analizing by sticking to ai with heroes I like
then I get attacked because they all think I’m a newbie
I sure know how to shoot myself in the foot
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Since rank doesn’t matter any more, a large chunk of good players either intentionally tank rating or smurf just so they can be in bronze-silver and crush people easily with their bad MMR.
I’d argue the Silver bracket has more skilled players in it than the Diamond bracket.
It’s actually kind of funny if you think about it. Bad players smurf to get placed higher, filling the Diamond bracket with idiots, while good players smurf to get placed lower, filling the Silver bracket with Master/GM players who just like to clown on beginners to fuel their egos.
What a world.
??? Why would it not matter?
It matters as much as it always has. You want harder and sweatier games, you need better rank (isn’t that the main reason anyone ever cares about their rank?). That would not change even if there were no rewards, accolades, seasons or “resets” at all.
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I mean bronze and silver are just as hard as diamond games for me so it’s better to just play qm very rarely if any games
How many SL games have you played on your smurf?
Positively suggesting heroes for the right reasons is one of the easiest ways to improve your chances of success, you can gain 5/10% winrate just by saying simple things like “rehgar / johanna open, anyone can play them?”.
P.S. I got to masters 5/6 times so I know what is needed to hard carry.
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I agree. I’ve seen individual bad diamond players, but there is no way in hell the average silver game is more sweaty than a diamond game.
Want better games, you need to attain ranks which need to be worked towards instead of just gotten by placements.
(D1, Master and above, nobody lands there by accident, you need to learn the game and work hard to get these ranks and beyond)
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It doesn’t matter any more because the game is on life support, and with as small of a playerbase as this game has, it’s not as competitive, and therefore not as impressive to reach a high rank as it did back in the day.
I’d be shocked if people in this game still try to climb and actually feel proud of their accomplishment with the state this game is in.
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I would still consider Grand Master an achievement (except on Asia server, where you automatically gain it upon ascending to Master due to the very low population - as of today, in this season there is only one GM on Asia (ggangtong2) and he has 76 Master points
Plus the electric border looks really cool.
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Am I right to assume that you are GM / high end Masters then if its so easy?
3-5. Enough to tell plus I watch others on twitch to see you can’t carry
I’ve seen your stats from 11 games.
Don’t fill like you did on Malf and you’ll have a good chance to carry like on Zj.
Play solo. Reach at least 20 games.
I still lose with ZJ though. Not worth playing at any elo. You can’t win unless you play a god-like macro shover (already one limiting factor since not everyone mains shovers). Then you have to hope you don’t go up against a group as a solo player (another limiting factor). And then third you have to hope your team doesn’t tilt when you macro shove instead of teamfight (third factor)
You really should try to get off the peak of “mount stupid”. Ignorance may be bliss, but such bliss is really empty.
So when my diamond and bronze/silver games are just as hard to carry with my skillset there’s a disconnect here unless everyone just flat out sucks in my games
That disconnect only seems to come from your playstyle and your stubborness to adapt, change depending on the situation. Time and time again, you voiced out your dislike for macro part of the game (which makes me think your playstyle is more in the line of brawler, the typical kind). On top of that, your understanding of macro is even on the extreme side,
Mindless macro shove is just as criticized on the forum as mindless brawling. It’s not either-or. You can just as easily join teamfight while doing enough in macro for map pressure. Well, unless your definition of ‘teamfight’ is ‘brawl, skirmish every chance you get’. Obj teamfight is the only important teamfight that is both predictable and has enough weight.
As I mentioned before, in top of the top games, you sometimes see teamfights happening very rarely, death/kill counts being low. That’s because those players know how to use macro to their advantage and avoid unnecessary risk fights. Which, I don’t think you’re that kind of player.
I really want to see some of your bronze games. I still don’t understand it.
edit: to elaborate.
Your playstyle: brawler
Your diamond games: you still brawling, other diamond player(s) take care of the macro
Your bronze games: you still brawling, real bronze player(s) can’t take care of the macro. your understanding of macro - mindless push, so not much helpful in teamfights where “diamond player” can come in handy
That’s my assessment without watching your games.
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