Also forces Varian to pick taunt every game, because he’s classified in QM as a “tank”.
I keep picking Varian in vain of being able to pick TB without throwing.
Correct. Already VS AI is the most popular mode and the least popular mode is Unraked Draft. So from that alone it’s obvious people don’t want a casual draft mode.
Some people’s expectations for QM is quite unreasonable, they want to play as the hero they want and expect perfect skill MM and a perfect draft too. This is just never going to happen.
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Start reading patchnotes and you won’t miss the QM rules.
There were and are a few.
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Could not have said it any better but yes its true.
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Did a Googs for QM Rules:
1: December 15, 2015 (five years ago) that has Warrior matching. Warriors don’t exist anymore.
2: A Wiki post that has “the rules” that hasn’t been updated since 2017 and has very little sources from actual Blizzard.
3: A bunch of forum posts where gamers SAY they know the rules, but they don’t.
No ACTUAL BLIZZARD SOURCES for the last year. What a shock.
As for support being matched to support. Again, doesn’t really happen. It’s not great evidence, but I had 3 matches yesterday and 1 today with Abathur. It was 1 mirror match (abby/abby), 1 Medivh and 2 assassins. Not great odds, I’d say.
So again. The OP has a point. And Blizzard should at least comment on this. They don’t respect any of us as other than consumers. If they respected us as gamers they would give us more information about the game.
Fell free to provide your source of evidence of how MM rules are now.
This list basicly tells you how it works, but again fell free to provide your own evidence to prove this and me wrong.
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Sometimes Twin Blades Varian is a better hero than Taunt Varian. Not a better tank obviously, but a more useful teammate. If your team doesn’t have good follow-up CC, Taunt is kind of lame as a peeling tool. Twin Blades can help peel via damage pressure.
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Okay, well given the source you cite. If a bruiser is guaranteed to match a bruiser, healer matches healer, tank matches tank, support matches support…
why doesn’t specialist match specialist?
Please don’t give me the standard bull of ‘Well, you know…queue times!’ because if queue times were really an issue, they wouldn’t have the other 4-5 matching rules.
What is a “Specialist”?
Someone who can push?
Sylvanas was a Specialist and you know who pushed in a similar speed than her? Anubarak. Then why Anubarak is not a “Specialist”? “Because he’s a Tank.” Well Sylvanas is an Assassin.
Someone who can soak a lot?
Ragnaros was an “Assassin” (Bruiser) and he soaks similar numbers to TLV.
Someone who can doublesoak? Clearing lanes quickly and rotating?
A lot of the Bruisers can do that similar to Xul, like Malthael (ex-Assassin), Sonya (ex-Warrior).
Who are the “Specialists”?
Everyone who was once one?
So 3 from our current 4 Supports including Medivh who is low tier regarding waveclear, pushing and soaking?
Xul who is a Bruiser now and his capabilities are matched with the other Bruisers?
Or just the ones that ended up as Assassins?
So Murky, Zagara, Hammer, Azmodan, Nazeebo and Sylvanas?
Would ppl feel “fair comps” if one team gets Zagara and the other Murky?
Or Sylvanas vs Hammer?
How are those worse than Jaina vs Tracer?
Or Cassia vs Ming?
And last but not least:
What qualifies a Hero to be an Assassin? Since I don’t see a clear case for what a Specialist is, but the issue ppl claim to exist is that this imaginary role is matched with Assassins.
Can someone be an Assassin just because they’re not a Tank or Bruiser or Healer or Support?
We have all kinds of Assassins.
Heroes who rely on spell dmg with long CDs.
Heroes who do physical with no CDs.
Poke vs Dive.
Burst vs Sustain.
We have Assassins that get ppl low and Assassins that finish the kills.
Some of these Assassins can push hard (like Greymane, or Jaina if she uses WE like Gargantuan).
So why those ex-Specialists such misfits among the R.Assas?
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This is true, QM should be quick at first and people should know the risk of randomness and don’t get too much frustrated. Personally the most frustrating thing is when you are in low priority and have to WIN to get out. But for SL i think that ok flex of a team can be fun and interesting but the more flex you give the more space you givin to Troll and Selfish people in a strongly teambased game. I’m not suggesting to make fixed roles like they did in Overwatch but to make the role selection more relevant ( it’s a joke you can queque without picking a role while you can pick flex) making it obligatory and MAYBE reportable (so the team can be flexible and at the same time punish Troll etc) and to make the Descripion of the Hero roles more intuitive, look at the (old?) role system of Dota2 or LOL. In Dota2 Heroes had a main role and tags about what he can do, On LOL heroes Have a main role and a secondary role. It doesn’t have to be so much detailed as to say the tryhard things like “this hero with this talent can do camps that normally he can’t do”, just use tags for his basic gameplay and basic skill. We do not have carry here fortunally, but we have the solo laner for example, who usually should be one that can double soak or win the lane and do mercs fast, people think Bruiser is the best option for this usually, but not all Bruiser can do this, while at the same time some assassins and tanks can.
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I think its also, and correct me if I’m wrong, draft in its nature is not casual. Someone out there is always just going to blame a loss for what you pick or don’t pick, which slowly outs casual players from playing the format. Despite the fact unranked is, well… unranked, people who come in there still expect optimized play for some reason.
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You got it, no draft is not casual. As you can see that many people in this thread have unrealistic expectations, fast queues, the ability to queue with any hero they desire and a perfectly made draft and even fair skill based match making.
None of this is realistic.
It was an issue, the devs told us so without equivocation and then rolled back the changes. Don’t argue with me or others, argue with the devs.
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Who do you think thread is aimed towards? You? I thought it was fairly obvious that me posting here was to make my opinion known. If I wanted this thread to be a callout on you, I would have tagged your name in my OP.
I fail to see how forcing a matchup for tank-tank healer-healer bruiser-bruiser support-support isn’t a problem but somehow matching specialist-specialist is too far over the line and causes severe problems. Maybe you can explain it to me.
No thread should be a “call out” of any individual, this is a message board where everyone can voice their opinion. You are using specious reasoning to dismiss my opinion, rather than addressing my arguments.
Guess what, this is already done in most games unless you have a very extended “expanded QM parameters.” This only happens if you have a queue of 5 plus minutes. This doesn’t even happen on underpopulated servers like Oceania or Brazil. Maybe if you argued with facts rather than supposition people would respect your main argument. As it is you don’t respect the people who provide valid evidence against your argument, where you resort to Ad hominem attacks without providing any evidence to back up you claims.
This is a public message board, I don’t need to be “invited” or “tagged” by you to join the discussion.
You choose to willfully ignore where the devs rolled back the strict Match Making attempted in QM in 2018 (admitted by the devs in patch notes) as it led to higher queue times. You stand there with your hands over your ears saying “don’t say it made queues longer” where in fact according to all offical sources it did exactly that.
I can’t argue with someone who willfully ignores the facts and uses personal attacks to support their position.
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Not really…
Given the fact you can still placed in a team with ranged assassins vs no ranged assassins, the rules for QM on that is extremely lenient.
In my experience unless you wait for a very long time in “extended QM queue” it matches roles.
It doesn’t match perfectly, but that’s why it isn’t ranked or unraked draft!
I’m not complaining (I mean, I would, because I hate stomp matches where one team literally can’t do anything, but I digress), I’m merely saying that the notion that QM is ‘consistent’ is false.
Honestly, the entire ‘assassin’ super category needs to broken down again. I don’t understand what’s so hard about ‘assassin’, ‘DPS’, ‘mage’. DPS are your primary auto attack dealers (ya Raynors and Vallas), mages are your primary ability damage dealers, assassins are your finishes (which is basically all melee assassins+ Genji, Tracer, and Nova).
Historical complaints have been ‘well Valla has high ability damage’… to which, yes, but she’s has high auto-attack power. You’re not gonna take Guldan or Ming to do Valla’s job.
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Quote me where I attacked you and I’ll personally eat crow.
The fact that you somehow took my post as me suggesting you -NEED- to be tagged in order to talk to me just shows that you aren’t reading my posts and/or are just skimming to get what bare bones information out of context you need to strawman so you can do a cheap ‘gotcha’.
Not buying it.
Why did they removed Specialist class?Or split Warriors in Tank and Bruiser?I think the old classification was much better.
You say this as if I’m not allowed to respond to your arrangements in this thread, this a very personal call out.
You wrote it sister.
Me neither.
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