Did you know that a Zagara and Tracer are considered interchangeable by the matchmaker’s standards? They’re both ‘ranged assassins’ and that’s all the matchmaker needs to put a ‘fair’ game together.
If you get into a QM game as 5 single target/low-aoe heroes like Tracer, Genji, Ming, Greymane, Valeera, against a team with multiple heavy push specialists like murky zagara or sgt hammer, you have an abysmal chance of winning unless the enemy team is bad. Assuming equal skill levels on both teams, I can never see the outcome favoring the low waveclear team.
All they have to do is just ignore literally everything on the map and mindlessly push lanes. Even if they give objective, they’re guaranteed to get a fort or two out of it.
“Just roam and gank them” isn’t a solution to the problem. It’s a band-aid fix to the outcome caused by the problem, and even then, it’s never THAT simple, especially if the specialist in question knows the minimap and how to avoid getting ganked. Plus, it’s hard to roam and gank when you have mercs and minion waves that you need to clear every single waking moment or your fort/keep will get shredded in the split second you look away.
The specialist role was technically removed by blizzard, but the functionality of the specialist role is still very much alive and well. The only thing blizzard has done is screwed with the matchmaking to churn out quicker games at the cost of skewed balance favoring one team at random.
Actually, I don’t think so. I’m pretty sure QM further breaks categories down into way, way more classifications than the game actually shows. Then, if it can’t find an even match, it will work it’s way up through the classifications as they get more and more loosely related.
You know what else is crazy in QM is when they send both an Alarak and a really good Zeratul player against my team with TLV. It seems the mm really wanted us to lose that game but a mistake must have been made on the enemy team’s side cause we turned it around hard.
Yeah, I really don’t like unit spawning pushers like Azmodan/Zagara/Nazeebo being clumped up with heroes like Tracer or Chromie.
If they avoid your ganks you will simply lose from your lanes being completely pushed in while you can’t clear anything (as the heroes on your team have too low wave clear to do so).
In the end you will have full catapults at your core with huge waves of minions+mercs and summons.
A risk that comes with playing Quick Match, but still very frustrating I agree.
Has been for quite a while, specialist as a class is completely removed.
Well both teams sounds not too bad for me. Both teams have good wave clear… The only thing about QM that sometimes annoys me, if enemys gets bruiser and your team don’t, because bruiser can be tanks and they were mixed as tanks in the past as “warriors”. Otherwise I am fine, because this mode isn’t supposed to be balanced, but random and quick.
Did you know that it has always been like that? When we got the class changes it was purely cosmetic thing. It didn’t effect the MM at all. QM is a clownfiesta, nobody goes there expecting quality games. They go there so they can get game quick with whatever hero they desire. If they want quality over speed they go to literally any other mode.
It did have giant effects on QM matchmaking, for example Abathur is no longer matched vs a Nazeebo as a Specialist, he is matched vs Medivh as a Support.
Ragnaros is not matched against Butcher as a Melee assassin, he is listed as a Bruiser and will front line against an Imperius.
I upvoted you but the truth is, the real thing is, specialist reclassification is just one aspect of the main problem.
The main problem is simple. Quickmatch is killing the game.
Remove unranked, improve qm, some basic drafting.
Those specialists never had thier pve power turned down so what is there to expect. They were forced to be more teamfight hero but yet they never had thier pve power nerfed. So now they got both.
Specialist and Assassin (Ranged and Melee) were not considered to the MM.
Aba was matched against a Nazeebo only because the MM had no rules at the starts. No role mirrors, no restrictions.
Latter the MM created a hidden role: Sustain. Containing Medivh, Aba, Tyrande, Tassadar and Zarya (still the old Specialist-rolesystem). So Aba now was never matched against a Naz.
Around this time the MM started to use other hidden roles that were mostly turned into the new Role Classifications.
Malthael, Thrall and Xul are the only Bruisers that can be matched against Melee Assassins instead of other Bruisers.
So yea, changing Azmodan, Nazeebo, Zagara into Ranged Assassins was purely cosmetic.
This could only be argued when the MM made sure that both sides have a Ranged Assassin, but that’s no longer the case, and iirc that role is not mirrored at all. You’re not guaranteed to have any Ranged Heroes in QM.
True, but that was an extremely long time ago. Even no tank could go vs a tank team, which was awful. Or a team with two healers, versus a team with none.
But it is true, ranged assassin was never/is not currently mirrored as a matchmaking rule.
I think one of the most unfavorable mirrors currently is Zarya or Medivh vs. an Abathur, because Abathur can heal teammates, the other two can provide shields/Protected at most.
All the things mentioned above were a long time ago.
We have the new role classification for 2 years now.
Tyrande’s rework from “Sustain” into full fletched Healer was also far in the past.
But the point is, Specialists and Assassins were the “same” for the QM for eternity. So complaining about their reclassification is just living in nostalgia.
It’s not nostlagia because they won’t change it. It’s nostalgia because it’s made up due to false memories sugarcoating the past.
Zagara and Tracer were treated in QM the same way all the time.
Also low wave clear vs. high wave clear teams did always happen in QM. Even extreme cases like 3 specs vs Chromie, Tracer, Nova. The latter had little to no chance at depushing them.
At least I think they did, as I realize the phenomena of old memories probably being silver lined/sugarcoated and people often forget/want to forget unfavorable things.
At 16 Tracer does get a high end AoE talent. At that stage she can dive into minion groups and melt them. Sure not early game but if wave clear is needed it is a very strong choice.