So with the release of Deathwing, what is the intent?

Hahahaha, I know just get out the way and burn him down. Looks like there player stacked the breathe talents.

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Oh my god, lol, that was one of the dummest teams Iā€™ve ever seen!?! I basically never go firebreath build as Deathwing unless I have a Leo to tomb them but that team just fed him. Heā€™s the type of QM stomper this games needs more of. Iā€™f youā€™re bad youā€™ll get crushed if youā€™re good you will crush. Not like release Gengi where 4/5 of his buttons could help him escape danger and 3/5 were large range mobility.

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hots team is very proficient at killing their own game.

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Too be honest, long before Deathwingā€™s abilities and all were revealed, I imagined if it were possible to have a hero that had something crazy like immune to CC. I figured it couldnā€™t be done, but they figured it out

And to be honest, a solo DW (Darkwing Duck) doesnā€™t guarantee a win for his team. Iā€™ve beat many teams that had the only DW. Mind you, Quick match can and does make every hero feel underpowered eventually. QM will throw you into every hero comp and with wide skill ranges of players.

DW or not, some games youā€™ll be overpowered, and other games, you get overpowered by the enemy.

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not to mention have been asking for him since the beginning of the game. So Iā€™m pretty sure thatā€™s the last group of people who would be bothered by this release.

Johanna wants to know your location

also Sgt. Hammer, anyone? At least hers got nerfed

ITT: annoying post by an OP who just doesnā€™t understand what theyā€™re talking about, iā€™m bored

How to counter Deathwing:

Pick Greymane or literally any % dmg hero and learn how to move left or right rather than do the Prometheus run.

Congratulations, you have successfully countered DW and can proceed to cry about other heroes now.

P.S. What is up with the influx of 0 post troll accounts trying to stir up drama and managing to throw in a ā€œHotS is Dead!ā€?

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It is probably worth pointing out that DW can be a very polarizing hero whose primary weaknesses tend to be in ā€œsoftā€ aspects of the game while his strengths are very apparent.

It is not obvious that a massive dragon with 10 abilities in his base kit, baseline armor, baseline ult, etc. could ever be considered ā€œweakā€ but the fact is that each of those advantages comes with some very significant drawbacks.

However, those drawbacks are often minimized under certain circumstances, leading to the perception that DW is ā€œOPā€.

  • Your team lacks mobility? DW will wreck with high-damage AoE spells.
  • Your team lacks lane presence? DW will outmaneuver and outsoak with his global ā€œmountā€.
  • Your team lacks coordination? DW will ignore tanks and CC and murder an undefended backline.

Unfortunately, in a QM environment, you may not have the opportunity to change these things. Your team may fail to focus DW when he is out of position, or may simply have a comp poorly suited to fighting him (looking at you, all-mage QM comps).

Often the way to beat a good DW revolves around things like:

  • Focusing him at appropriate times (or, more importantly, not engaging at all unless you have an advantage or important objective to win);
  • Having good awareness of his cooldowns to be ready for a timely dodge/counter;

Iā€™ve personally been having a great time making a pincushion out of him as Tyrande and watching rookies realize too late how quickly they die when Iā€™m constantly applying Hunterā€™s Mark to them.

Personally I think DW is a refreshing change from the long list of heroes whose major weakness is having 2-3 defenders hit them with CC because they made a bad engage.

TL;DR
DW comes with major advantages in an uncoordinated/undrafted environment like QM but even there, he can only command so much presence if you have quick reflexes and know how to leverage his weaknesses. A 5-year-old would have a hard time ā€œdominatingā€ anything beyond a team full of other 5-year-olds.

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DW is one or the absolute weakest heroes in the game which is why you barely even see him above even the lowly depth of gold rank. Almost 40 percent of the entire hero base is a hard counter to him due to something he has working against him. If you struggle against him it means you dont fundamentally understand the game yet.

In all my games Iā€™ve only seen DW like 50% of the time in the MVP screen and never as the MVP, thatā€™s fine since thatā€™s precisely the chance you have to appear there.

Iā€™m also having a blast with Nova, she melts that guy with Q build, endless poking and Deathwing can do nothing, itā€™s hilarious.

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Nitpick but you can chase Falstad through flight.

what the hell is ā€˜invensibilityā€™?

are you 12?

Completely agree. This game is an embarrassment. I would never recommend this to a friend.

I couldnt agree more. The games gone off the rails. As for the people saying its just cause youre bad or claiming youre whining. Those are not valid arguments. DW is everything wrong with the game. Not a coincedence DW bringing death to the mechanics. Obvious blizz wants hots gone

I have been stuck at work away from usable internet and have not had a chance to play him yet. That being said, all of his seemingly drastic OP aspects are offset with debilitations. If he is actually OP, then okay, Blizzard has done the exact same thing they have done with every new character in every franchise they have. The thing is, it would really only be an issue if the character did not have the proper avenues to adjust for balancing when it is needed. Since he is designed as exclusively self sufficient, balancing him should be easier than with characters who can be made almost invincible in conjuncture with a normal character. Also, aside from community demand, there is a pretty non-communicative sect of players in random games. Giving players a character that relies less on randos is a great gift for 5hose nights when no one wants to work together. And while I know the pro scene is in a weird desolate place, I donā€™t foresee him wrecking high level play. I am not a great player of any competitive game, but I understand the the same tenants apply of old Symmetra and Bastion wrecking bronze players but never getting picked in higher levels. Given, those characters were made obsolete when countered, and swapping to counter is not an option here, but if you are playing in drafted match, it seems like things should be fine. But the main point is that to be OP in the beginning is Blizzard to a T, but there are avenues for adjustment that donā€™t require a total rework, so if the concerns are valid I am sure they will be addressed.

But thatā€™s in the heads of some of the playerbase.
I had a Maltheal that insisted the only thing in the game that mattered was killing Deathwing. He kept throwing himself into bad positions and dying, and never once killed Deathwing.

Then Iā€™ve also had teams that treated Deathwing like any other hero, and we win easily.
Heā€™s different, but all of the heroes are different.

Also that video SamiSha posted is beyond baffling.
That Raynor stood in the same spot for a full 13 secondsā€¦and when he finally moved he ran deeper into the flame instead of outward.
Raynor and Valla waited through the 1 second wind up, then maybe 2 seconds before reacting at all. Thatā€™s something that should only be happening with terrible lag.
At least their Lucio was moving, though he moves incoherently like some kind of Roomba and goes back into the fire after getting outā€¦

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What rank are you struggling with DW at?Because i dont see it in hgh plat/low diamond. excluding all the %dmg heroes. nazeebo is also great counter for dw. he can be put into zombie wall while he uses q. Also the spider build shredds him. Dw abilities are mostly easy to dodge. Instead of people complaining they shouls learn to play. I find chogall with ana a lot more anoying to play aganist actually

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Game is garbage to begin with and the devs only make it worse every patch.

Perfect answer.
Poor DW, it was so easy to catch him with my li ming.

I think people donā€™t realize how quickly Q build DW can melt them. It catches you off guard. People donā€™t think itā€™ll 100-0 you but it will, even on tanks.

Ohh dudeā€¦ bad plays if they had one decent percentage hero in thereā€¦ geeze deathwing woulda got roasted.