Since we are getting nerfs reverted

[Planar-11507]

and, like I said in the post you responded to:

@Planar-11507

Wow! A duelist hero can solo one who isn’t a duelist!

Tychus is a melee duelist who wants to 1v1 enemies, right? That’s 100% his role?

Oh, it’s not… oh. Darn. Maybe a melee duelist who takes a long time to power up and can be shut down from getting any damage from their trait by the enemy team isn’t a good comparison to Tychus!

before you but in, yes. Tychus trait damage can get shut down by killing him. But his trait does something from the start of the game. Butcher’s takes until he gets his quest done).

[phaseshifter-1283]

@Ocek-1343

Even with “In the rhythm”, “That’s the stuff” isn’t must-pick, it’s more baseline pick, which is that if you don’t have a good reason to pick Neosteel armor, you pick “That’s the stuff”. (Spray 'n Pray is essentially trash though.)

Honestly if “Master Assassin” wasn’t so impossible to stack it would be fine. Bump it down to 10 kills, bump the bonus to 2% AS per kill, and add 5% attack speed reward at 10 kills. Bam, you fixed it.

Also, they need to add Synergy with his talents and Odin. There’s far too little Synergy between the two.

Well, in a lot of 1 on 1 situations, Rhythm of the stuff made you pretty much invincible.

But I do agree that there’s always been anti synergy with Odin. It used to straight up be a dps decrease until they buffed it. But even now, when you activate it, you cancel most of your talents.

I’m not even sure why activating Odin has that huge delay. It’s not like you can burst people with it.

[Ocek-1343]

The delay actually has its own use, especially against heroes like Butcher.

[MortalWombat-2755]

Maybe the easiest way to fix That’s the Stuff! is to remove part of D synergy? One of the reasons why talent X works certain way and not the other, is because of the potential (although situational) synergy that can completely break it and people abusing it. Im pretty sure thats the case btw.

TtS! heals Tychus for X damage while his D is active, constantly, not including his D damage.

It still combos with In the Rythm very well, but since 1 synergy is nerfed (healing from D damage) it opens up constant damage (imo, very good deal).

TBTA is good enough. It was popular with Neosteel Coating. Admittedly, kinda forced, but it simply worked (+ small synergy with decreased D cd).

Master Assassin is pretty obvious, and this talent needed buff since a long time.

EDIT
Spray n Pray
Merge with Lead Rain, because why not, because it sucks. APR will get extra synergy with new TtS!.

New lvl 13
Every second AA of hero hit by Q is a miss (to make it more interesting). Its also, somewhat, a survivability talent.

[phaseshifter-1283]

@Ocek-1343

The delay actually has its own use, especially against heroes like Butcher.

Just give me 1 sec of unstoppable instead. But make the change instant.

[Ocek-1343]

You could do that. Or just give him an unstoppable and make Odin a permanent bonus form.

One issue though, the unstoppable would have to go on a tier where it doesn’t dominate. So there is the use that you can use your best lvl 10 ultimate for your unstoppable, too.

[WereElf-2100]

@Ocek-1343

The delay actually has its own use, especially against heroes like Butcher.

How does stunning yourself for 2,5 sec help you?
The “unstoppable” is just there to prevent interruptions, but you are in fact stunned.

[Ocek-1343]

You’d be surprised what you can accomplish with good timing.

[MortalWombat-2755]

@WereElf-2100

How does stunning yourself for 2,5 sec help you?
The “unstoppable” is just there to prevent interruptions, but you are in fact stunned.

Well, for example you can use Anas sleep dart against charging Butcher or what not. You are stunned, he is asleep

[WereElf-2100]

That’s a very very specific example

[MortalWombat-2755]

Well, the same applies to TtF! as said above, but Im obviously half serious here. The trade off is not worth it

[Tau-2569]

I don’t think they’ll return that. Its like nerf with hammer Orbital BFG. They removed building damage due to OP in aram, but after hammer was banned they don’t want to return it.

[WereElf-2100]

That was balanced, but annoying in regular games as well. It was basically putting a timer on the enemy team, telling them deal with it: finish the game fast, or suffer.

[thesuperlord-2231]

They compensated greymane by passively giving him 15% increase splash in return for removing the old amazing talent that increased splash by 40%. 40% > 15% always - even if it mains investing a lvl 4 talent into it.