Remove or Nerf Diablo / Overwatch

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The Diablo and Overwatch heroes in this game are the most broken heroes for the longest of times in this game. They break the game, the remove any aspect of fun this game has, and if the team consists mostly of either theme than you may as well give up. To note this is my experiences specifically in QM or ARAM not Stormleague.

Sonya: High health, high damage, high healing. Great lane precense and can almost never be soloed.

Valla: Do i have to say more after the recent patch? She has always had high damage but now she’s insane and highly picked as well as her win rate sky rocketing.

Li Ming: High Burst damage, decent mobility, doesn’t need to be in danger ever while dealing high damage. Very annoying to fight against and is not fun.

Naz: One of the best lane pushers in game, high damage, and high health pool potential. And that toad build is the most anti melee build i have ever seen. Probably needs the least amount of nerfs.

Cassia: Annoying, cancerous, to much range and dive potential. She needs to be only one, we don’t have illidan casting fel bolts or eye beams from range before he dives. Her ults are insane as well.

Diablo: Most beefiest and cancerous tank this game has ever known. His health pool is massive and his ability to disrupt and put people out of positions is insane. This dude is a train and his health needs squished and his cds need to be longer. Even muradin pales in comparison with this dude.

Mephisto: Probably one of the best balanced heroes diablo has to offer, I don’t really think anything needs nerfed. His other talents outside of his lightning ring build probably needs buffed.

Butcher: The scourge of quickmatch. This dude is so game breaking in quick match if used properly that it makes people rage uninstall the game. This dude can only be countered through a hard cc train which can be counter almost any hero in game to be honest. His biggest weakness is he has 0 escape and is easily punished for being to aggressive. In storm league you can pick his counters and make him useless. Honestly this guy just needs a complete rework.

Tyrael: I got nothin this dude has been one of the weakest tanks in game for the majority of its life time and he’s in a decent spot now and doesn’t need to be touched much.

Imperius: By the gods, this guy might as well be god himself. He’s extremely strong with high damage, good cc, great defensive, and good self healing. He just needs some toning down.

Azmodan: This guy’s q build carries his team. Massive damage that can alter the flow of any team battle, his other builds are ok or under performing but for a mage with so much health and so much damage with such a long range something has to give.

Khaz: Honestly as a melee hero he’s doing a great job. But his dps palm really needs a small nerf.

Leroic: Only issue i got with this guy is how many people think its ok for him to die because of his trait, perhaps a new trait to deter people from thinking its ok to die a lot? Idk but he’s fun and not broken.

Malthael: This dude is pretty much useless outside of being a weaker version of Tychus. Does great against heavy health pool teams, does poorly against ligher health pool teams.
Plus his other ult that isn’t the execute ability is almost never picked because why pick it?

Xul: He’s gone through a lot of talent changes and now he’s really beefy, outside of that there isn’t much of an issue with him.

Ariel: This is a tricky hero because its purely player dependent. She can be god like in heals where its just outright broken or completely trash depending on how team fights flow and the players behind her.

Deckard: Outside of his crap tons of cc i think his cds for it might need to be a bit longer as well as his mana potion talent needing a minor buff.

Johanna: The other beefiest tank in game (another diablo hero what a shocker). Tons of health, tons of cc, tons of self healing and shielding, she just needs a good nerf bat to it all while increasing her almost non existential damage by a little bit.

Now if you’re still reading, I thank you and now we move on to the Overwatch heroes.

Hanzo: Other than his long poking damage this guy is fine, if you buff him you make him broken, if you nerf him he’s useless, he’s one of those heroes who probably wont be great to pick unless you rework him.

Lucio: I’ve seen the good, the bad, and the ugly. Honestly the only thing i find annoying with this dude is his mobility and being hard to focus down. Pretty balanced though.

Tracer: This character is amazing and destructive. If you ignore her she’ll destroy your team, if you focus her without being a dive character is hard and leaves the rest of her team to kill you. Perhaps a removal of a blink charge and a increase in reload time?

Genji: He’s a niche hero, he’s bad in a lot of situations and pretty good in some. A hero that probably needs reworked completely but in those areas where he is good its cancerous.

Junkrat: The scourge of ARAM. This dude is sheer terror in the hands of a capable player as well as highly fun. Some minor tweaks are needed probably i’m not really sure though.

Anna: If you can aim she’s just so strong, if you can’t she might as well not be there. The range and the CC are just insane. She has prevented so many people from dying with that sleep dart it makes you rage. Also that bionic grenade preventing heals is very strong and outright game breaking if your team healer is alexstraza and she chose the aoe heal build against anna for some reason.

Zarya: Holy **** those shields is the most cancerous thing i have ever had to deal with as a melee hero. You either wait for them to go away neglecting people who need to be focused down and causing a disadvantage to your team or you go all in and make zaryas damage spike to unbelievable levels. A rework is highly needed as this whole support role just needs outright removed from the game.

Mei: When she was released in game she was a terror to deal with, she’s still annoying but balanced for the most part. Its not that she’s broken she is just annoying and unfun to fight against. You might protest and say not being fun to fight against doesn’t mean nerfs. Well tell that to my favorite chromie talent Bye, Bye where her hearth channel was like 1.5 seconds and wasn’t interruptable by damage. that wasn’t fun and got outright removed.

Dva: Tbh the only way she will never be a scourge of fun to fight against if you remove pilot mode outright and buff her mech mode to compensate it. That means removing / changing her self destruct ult thats really not even that useful without garrosh throwing it. A ult should never be trash without another character buffing it. I doubt this will gain a lot of agreement with how much people fantasize her appearance.

I know there are broken / strong heroes in every alternate game they came from but Diablo and Overwatch heroes are in the vast majority. It makes me cringe at the thought of more of these type of heroes being introduced in this game because if another diablo / overwatch hero is added into the game you know it will be game breaking for years to come. I thank you and appreciate you reading this and hope for some honest feedback to make some positive changes in the game.

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The urge to turn this in to a meme is strong

Edit: you missed one : p

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well when you got a lot of players filling the forums up with nerf valla, tracer, li ming threads they might have a point. Thanks for the internet bullying and non constructive feedback though.

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I mean, the alternative is people go through all of these one by one and turn the whole post in to another giant argument.

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Or if you disagree completely just say you think its all perfectly balanced or at least perfectly balanced in storm league where people are picking everyones counters.

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A few of the heroes you listed are kinda just there for no reason. Heck, you want one of them buffed.

But say we do remove 27 from the roster. Would the game really be better for it? We’d lose 3 out of 13 tanks (more depending on who you consider a tank) and 5 out of 16 healers. That’s a good chunk of roles we could actually use more of.

I don’t think deleting nearly 1/3rd of the roster overnight is a good idea even if some of them are annoying to play against.

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Well remove is a bit more dramatic and click baity as i dont really want to see heroes removed, i just want not to rage or feel the fun being sucked out of me when i see most of these heroes being on my enemy team. Like since the valla buff patch i have only been in like 5 out of 30-40ish matches without a valla being on either side.

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The winrates should reflect this if that is true, which they don’t.

Nothing will ever be perfectly balanced, but it is fairly balanced to the point where you don’t have MUST bans at the moment.
Some of those listed seems like a gameplay issue for you.

Which rank are you currently sitting at?
If we are talking QMs here then i “understand” your frustration, because this game isn’t balanced around QMs and ARAMs, meaning that things like Diablo might actually burst you down on his own unless you got a team behind you.

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well i rarely play storm league because its 10-20 minute que’s and i usually end up between gold - what ever after gold is as a solo que player. So unless i wanna wait to play i usually play QM or ARAM. And I know things arent perfectly balanced or will ever be but to a point it shouldn’t be where one character is outright carrying their entire team every match because the character itself is broken. matches “should” be won by skill and making the least amount of mistakes as possible.

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Valla genuinely did break the game but all these other heroes really don’t compare.
Just about every hero in the game has something in their kit that feels totally insane. That’s just how hots does their heroes. That’s not to say they don’t have weaknesses or some micro technique you can exploit to win against them either. If you’ve got any you particularly hate I’d be willing to help. Even down to a specific match up.
I’ve been playing this game for a long time. I should be able to help with any of these. : )

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Well like i said, QMs are very unbalanced.
Abathur forexample is just outright broken in QM, and most burst heroes thrive in QMs.

10-20min que?
Where are you playing from mate?

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Ohio on the USA Region, usually i que anywhere between 8pm-10am eastern. People mentioned about going to the european region for better que times but i unlocked and spent thousands on the USA region and it doesn’t carry over :frowning:

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Shame to hear, we got minor que times in EU atleast.
can take from 10sec to 2mins usually, on a bad day it can take from 1min to 6min.

The game is nearly impossible to balance for QMs btw, because the playstyles are so different, in ranked at the moment on high diamond, we barrely see any variety in the games for the heroes at the moment, and Diablo is even sitting at a negative winrate at that rank.

It is most likely due to teamplay, and playstyles that you are struggling with these heroes at the moment.

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well unless its the fun aspect being sucked out of me or my team feeding butcher i personally don’t have to much of a hassle if i’m playing a well thriving hero for QM like Cho’gall. But if i’m playing a hero like Thrall or Zeratul i can’t perform well against most of these heroes i mentioned above. I want to yell out, buff thrall or zeratul when it comes to this but i’ve seen these heroes perform very well in the hands of people who play well so i dont say anything about them as i feel like its a me issue at that point.

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If you’re playing SL and your rank is between Silver and Plat it is very unusual to get queues longer than 5 minutes on the US server.

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It would seem so, Zeratul is actually one of those that are overperforming in QMs usually.
His bursty builds work very well in QMs, and he can usually pick off the enemy team 1 by 1.
He most commonly has to be played in his more advanced builds.

He is already an AA heavy hero for him to perform well, and his more advanced builds require you to go Spell->AA->Spell->AA->Spell->AA, quite quickly for it to be efficient.
Hope things works out for you though.
I myself have had like 2 weeks with everyhero to prac them, to learn how to play them and how to counter them, and it helped me quickly grow to the master league and i stayed there for 5 seasons before i tok a 5 month break, now that i am back again i am sitting in Diamond 1, hopefully Master this week.

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I love zeratul as a lore character and game play. But my damage is always so crappy and if the enemy team has a tank or a broken hero like valla it becomes really hard. I used to do amazing with zeratul till he got many changes put on him. Now I struggle to do well with him.

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That is a wired way to say average.

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Nazeebo is garbage. .

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I never seen a nazeebo under perform in any capacity against any comp as long as the player knew how to play the game and the character itself. Other than having the default mage weakness of being weak to dive characters he’s amazing and strong. Plus if they got a melee heavy team just use the toad build and take out 1/2-3/4 of their entire health pool with one shot gun toad blast. Pretty insane if you ask me.