Reading talents is hard

You know what im talking about

People who pick take talents without looking or reading
Raynors quest when you have multiple slows arthas jaina who ever

Varian shieldwall with juggernaut
Like you ever need a 4% dmg every 8 or more sec compared to 40% reduced heal

Or just picking a quest and never stacking it like thralls crash lightning

This is currently SL at fully rank decayed dia 5

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its not that people find it hard, its that people are dumb

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On a taunt? Always. The trait on tank pops way too rarely to ever justify taking the inconsequential heal reduction. I would only take heal red on twinblades (which I wouldn’t play in the first place anyway) or if i was playing with a burst comp vs exorbitant amount of burst heals, otherwise default to shield breaker if there’s any shields at all or bonus dmg if there are no shields at all.

Every stack gives extra damage. If he’s not having mana problems (the only reason why red talent isnt always the best for teamfights), then why not. Obviously green for 1x1, as red doesnt even work in 1x1 (still, if some1 takes red for solo lane, maybe he doesn’t think he can win it either way and is just building for teamfights instead).

Seems like you yourself have some very weird ideas and expect others to follow them. People don’t take talents that you think are best because they have better/different ideas than you, not because they ā€œdon’t thinkā€.

You forgot lazy, people are also lazy.

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no, people are just dumb, this is d5 we are speaking off

If you have a Q quest and you never stack it but take it anyway. Especially when other talents give better value if your not willing to stack it
Reading is hard…

Its 18s which is reduced by 2s every aa. also can be resetted with overpowered which is the burst build.
Basicly if you open a fight you have it. Their healers reaction is usually to throw a heal right away so its one of the most reliable talents because its point and click and you can time it.

So your saying you find this inconsequential but an 4% bonus dmg every 8s is consistent?

hello, level 1 parry just called with multiple trait resets

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Damage is damage. You can never go wrong with that one.

Niche talent. If yuo take that one, maybe you could take the heal red. Although, I still wouldn’t do it by default (I would think about it, but most likely I would dismiss it in most situations. Even in that case I would take 4% dmg against tracer (for example), as then I can insta-kill her on my own. Tracer doesn’t have healing, so in most cases when she dives, healing red would be absolutely useless. 4% damage is 4% damage that you wouldn’t have with the heal talent. Heal red against kharazim (another niche for W lvl1)? Maybe.

As I said, ppl have different ideas from your own - doesn’t mean they ā€œdon’t thinkā€.

idk i keep reading your post and honestly ur argument dont hold nor look good, ur aa deals way more dps than jugger into tracer

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I’m a lvl80 master varian (not a varian 1trick, mind you). I post what I actually do in real games, not my speculations on heroes I don’t play.

pics por favor

For what? You can check my varian stats on heroesprofile, if you’re so inclined.

250 SL games, 57% wr. 50/50 picks between smash/taunt. 75% shield wall lvl10 (always with smash, 50/50 for taunt); for lvl13: 65% shattering throw, 27% juggernaut, 8% heal red. Juggernaut does have the highest winrate though (60%), while heal red is sitting at measly 10-9 even though I really only picked it when it looked like absolutely perfect to pick it. Heal red really is only good for twinblades, so it seems, and I totally don’t like twin blades at all.

P.S. I mostly pick varian as counter to shields, hence the oversaturation on shattering throw (e.g., the recent rise in artanis pop is fun times for smash varian).

P.P.S. I haven’t really played much varian this season, but I’m #4 EU hanzo atm though (heroesprofile hero leaderboards).

pics, screenshots, in game, thanks

2021 season 1 - the last time I played a lot of varian (well 83/693 games that season, but that’s really the most I’ve ever played varian in 1 season and varian was the ā€˜carry’ in that season):
https://imgur.com/UDJat9D

23-13 on both shattered throw and juggernaut that season and only 5-4 for heal red. If the talent doesn’t work, I’ll pick it less often (and choose situations where it should still be good veeery carefully) - it’s that simple. And heal red clearly doesn’t work.

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alright fair, but i think you are underestimating some of the talents viability, don’t you think overpower is pretty default into taunt? why would you not pick it into that otherwise?

I’m just contesting the statement ā€œsome1 who picked juggernaut with shield wall doesn’t think and is ā€˜dumbā€™ā€ in this thread. I do that all the time and it works. OP needs to rethink his prejudices.

i mean, do you even know what the op faced to perceive that conclusion lol

There’s no situation involved here. It’s just a general statement. Note the use of word ā€œeverā€.
Paraphrasing it would be: ā€œshield wall is always bad with juggernautā€.

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i stand corrected