Just to explain the context I am currently in gold 3, my team mates during this game had the same rank than me. We faced a Muradin platinum 1 grouped with an Abathur Silver 2. As you may expect it was a disaster for my team as Muradin, constantly supported by Abathur, outplayed us.
Here we are speaking of a gab about more than 2 divisions. Furthermore playing Abathur allowed the Silver player to support the platinum player hence capitalising on is higher skills.
I don’t understand how it is possible to think that platinum plus silver is equal to gold, even in the reality it does not work that way … I can understand that to facilitate the game modes groups of players can be match against solo players, even if the fairness can be discussed… but match solo players against a group of people which include a player who is more than one division ahead than my team is just completely unfair as, as I told, they can capitalise on the higher rank player.
Wats the point to have ranks in that case ? A gap with more than 2 divisions ? If a bronze 5 can be tag with a platinum 1, will the silvers players will enjoy their games and think: « well that was fair, this platinum player played way better than us and deserve to climb»?
To conclude it is also encouraging rerolls as it seems to be the best way to climb rank. Just ask your friend te create a reroll, knowing that the game will never place him upper than gold 5, and enjoy your climb while you are crushing lower rank players and ruining their games.
It’s called ability to boost. Those players you listed may not have been boosting, but the 2 rank disparity means at the system’s extremes, a plat 1 can team up with four silver 5 players to get to diamond rank
Yep i was literally just doing this with my friend in silver. Trust me when i say that for 2 people going in the middle is fair. My silver friend makes many many mistakes that enemy can capitalize on. Our winrate together is around a 50%.
For me the issue comes when there are more than 2. 2 plats with a silver are very easily able to carry games in gold. Same goes for 4-5. They need to give mmr penalties to groups with top heavy mmrs.
Yes and I don’t understand why it is allowed in a competitive game mode. I mean the game already have huge issues of reroll and match making, I don’t understand why it is encouraging that. For a higher skill player to play with is lower skill friend there is QM.
When you have a full 5 man, match making uses the highest players MMR to prevent that exact scenario - So it would be 4 silver 5 players and 1 plat 1 against 5 plat 1 players.
OP, you are allowed to team up with ppl 2 leagues above or below you outside of a full 5 man group - Plat can team up with down to silver and up to master. Keep in mind that the number doesn’t matter - Plat 1 can queue up with Silver 5. Keep in mind that at times in the past there wasn’t ANY limit - You could have GMs carrying the bottom of Bronze 5 and they would still get matched with Gold ranked players.
I agree with you for the average hero’s pool. But considering that there is heroes like Abathur, designed to boost the abilities of one of his teammates…
While admitting a good Abathur can carry his team, a bad one mistakes are not really relevant when he is just supporting a high skill player all the game. He will lose some xp in early but that is all.
Tracer and Illidan with Abathur hat are just to much of a carry to balance Abathur mistakes. to the point where using Abathur ultimate evolution (R) is just less useful than keeping the hat on the carry.
I mean… considering the kind of badass skill I’ve seen out of some Silver players and the sheer dumbassary I’ve seen out of some Platinums
This kind of disparity in and of itself dosen’t scare me, I’ve actively seen Teams of Silvers pull together and with a bit of coordination put even the most obvious Smurf from Diamond AT LEAST under their heels.
So a plat player makes a silver account, then parties with another plat friend to help him rank up. Sure this is abusable and im sure this happens. Thing is that he can only get up to diamond and eventually you’ll only get plat games instead of gold games. But bc of avg mmr your teammates will be worse and if they had to cheese the system to win in the first place its unlikely that they will win
The issue is the system is encouraging the players to create smurfs to climb the ladder.
Knowing it is impossible to prevent smurfs in a free to play like HOTS.
You can prevent groups of smurfs by limiting ranked to duos or solos, but we know that can’t happen because “low playerbase”. Also the fact that players are so casual they’d rather play with friends than have balance + a legit ranking system. High elo LoL players begged to bring back solo + duo queue over a dynamic queue similar to what HOTS has now. Balance > fun but in HOTS the philosophy is opposite of this. HOTS is considered a team-oriented TEAM game by its playerbase so bring on the 3+ stacks
That’s the big existential question of the chicken and the egg:
Does the game is losing its population because the game is not well balance or does the game is not well balance because the game is Losing its population ?
Personally I think the game needs fairness and good balance to keep its population.
Good balance and fairness means you’d have to support a solo/duo system like HOTS had before. The more people that can play in a group, the wilder the disparities that can happen whether in ranks or plain boosting
Because nobody was playing in teamleague, to play a game people needed to waits 10-20 min.
And just by looking to the number of posts about that, it contributed to a lot of insatisfactions. Maybe more player left because of that, I don’t know…
It is way more difficult to balance a game when you have a group of 4 against 2 groups of 2. Or 2 groups of 2 vs 1 group of 3 etc…
So if we are adding to that a difference of rank about 2 entire divisions… it is impossible to balance.
Anyway my post was not really about the teams in ranked but more about the fact that there can be a 2 divisions gap.
… I can understand that to facilitate the game modes groups of players can be match against solo players, even if the fairness can be discussed… but match solo players against a group of people which include a player who is more than one division ahead than my team is just completely unfair as, as I told, they can capitalise on the higher rank player.
