Quick dumb question:

General Discussion
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Why is Butcher the only hero in the game left with the original Block talent from alpha? He doesn’t even have a shield, give him a good version tied to his kit properly.

Also, speaking of ancient talents, remember when Azmodan had Healing Ward? lmao

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Because when Butch gets an update we hope that more than block changes

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fair and valid lmao, what would make a butcher rework… um, work?

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He had one actually.

Hero Updates

Stats

  • Basic Attack damage reduced from 169 to 140

Abilities

  • Fresh Meat (Trait)
    • New functionality:
      • Quest: Nearby Minions drop 1 Fresh Meat and Heroes drop 5 Fresh Meat when they die. You can pick up Fresh Meat to gain 1 Basic Attack damage per Meat. Can hold up to 125 Meat. You drop up to 10 Fresh Meat upon dying.
      • Reward: After acquiring 125 pieces of Fresh Meat, gain and additional 100 Basic Attack damage and 25% increased Attack Speed. You also no longer lose Fresh Meat on death.
  • Hamstring (Q)
    • Mana cost reduced from 50 to 40
  • Butcher’s Brand (W)
    • Base duration decreased from 5 to 4 seconds
    • Mana cost increased from 60 to 65
    • Added functionality:
      • Basic Attacks against enemy Heroes affected by Butcher’s Brand will increase the duration by .5 seconds
  • Ruthless Onslaught (E)
    • Slightly reduced the time between The Butcher hitting his target and his first Basic Attack

Talents

  • Level 1
    • Victuals
      • New functionality:
        • Every time a nearby Minion dies, regain 4% of maximum Health.
      • Moved to level 7
  • Level 4
    • Envenom (Active)
      • Removed
  • Level 7
    • Final Assault (Passive)
      • Removed
    • Abattoir (Trait)
      • Decreased the reduced amount of Meat lost on death from 10 to 5. Once you complete the Fresh Meat quest, Heroes will continue to drop Meat. This bonus Meat is not lost on death.
      • Moved to Level 1
    • Insatiable Blade (W)
      • Reduced the amount of bonus healing gained from 125 to 100%
      • New functionality:
        • While an enemy is affected by Butcher’s Brand, you move 20% faster towards them
    • New Talent: Meat Shield (E)
      • Hitting an enemy Hero with Ruthless Onslaught grants Spell Shield, reducing damage from enemy spells by 50% for 2.5 seconds
  • Level 13
    • Burning Rage (Passive)
      • Removed
    • Crave Flesh (Passive)
      • Removed
    • Spell Shield (Passive)
      • Removed
    • New Talent: Cleaver (Passive)
      • Basic Attacks deal 35% of your Basic Attack damage to nearby enemies.
    • Brutal Strikes (Q)
      • New Functionality:
        • After using Hamstring, your next 3 Basic Attacks within 5 seconds deal an additional 15% bonus damage.
  • Level 16
    • Blood Frenzy (Passive)
      • New Functionality:
        • Basic Attacks against enemy heroes increase your Basic Attack and Movement Speed by 5% for 3 seconds. Stacks up to 5 times.
    • Enraged (Passive)
      • No longer reduces the duration of disabling effects by 75%
      • Added functionality:
        • Now provides Resistant, reducing all damage taken by 25% for the duration of Enraged.

Developer Comments: We’ve redefined The Butcher to have a more unique role as a powerful late-game hero who feeds on the flesh of his victims via his Fresh Meat Trait. His early game is weaker than before, but if he can complete his quest he will become an incredibly potent force that the enemy team must answer. We had a ton of fun testing him, and hope you all enjoy the new Butcher!

His meat used to give him a % based bonus, up to 25%, but everything was lost on death. No matter how far you were, even at 25%.

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yes but hit kit actually functioned without meat. He still did 170 damage a swing, brand lasted longer, old Enraged was nuts. Nowdays if you don’t get meat/lose meat, you lose period. You were still a melee assassin if you died then (similar to Alarak)

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Think arthas also has one

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Rime is hero specific

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Rime

Every 5 seconds, gain 75 Physical Armor against the next enemy Hero Basic Attack, reducing the damage taken by 75%. Stores up to 3 charges.

Its got a fancy name but its still extremely generic

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yeah that block talent is weird i hope he gets any physical armor decent talent

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vikings has one for olaf at level 1

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I remember. It was a good change.

Just had another look at his talents and overall they’re in a pretty good place in terms of diversity. There are a few outliers like Cleave or Blast Furnace and level 4 is boring in general but he’s not bad.

I think the early game and late game power level differences are too extreme. In the early game, playing as the butcher is not very fun. In the late game playing against him is also not fun. Somewhere in the middle would be nice.

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Make it store up to 4 charges when he gets his quest completed. Nice and simple.

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One of the better talents, honestly TLVs talent distribution isn’t all that bad as far as it goes (level 7, 10, and 13 are basically mandatory, so around half are flexible)

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I consider meat, as a shield.

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Prob because he needs more than a Block change.

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