Question about queue time in SL

General Discussion
21

good Q. Korean servers say average wait time is 400+ but it takes FOREVER for a match. lol

2 Likes
22

Not really a clique thing IMO. It’s more that people are so opinionated and righteous with their opinions that they believe it’s facts.

Usually with me, I tend to say things from experience and if I can collect primary data from a third party source or primary sources to provide that my view and/or experiences agree or disagree with an opinion, theory or speculation with myself or others.

For example, with my post, I posted primary data of my games. The debate is that if changing servers the average wait time tool tip should change as well. Darak and Xenterex contested me it does but my game doesn’t, while I didn’t provide any primary data with my debate to them, after I provided primary data they never replied to me or the data I presented.

Furthermore, robertsonb has confirmed as a fellow Australian player, this happens to him/her as well.

I never disagreed with Xenterex with my first post, I simply stated my experience and speculation and then my primary data proved to be right.

Where I am going with this, some users on here will attack people based on their bias towards elements of the game.

Legit, I had a feeling ages ago that the average wait time is bogus to Australian players and/or people who change servers. I assume that the average wait time is for the server with the most populated players.

There’s prob a miscommunication somewhere and I prob didn’t explain myself clearer, my original question you quoted was the significant difference between my queue time vs the average wait time tool tip.

I asked for an explanation of the 1500+ seconds wait time on a 200 average wait time but didn’t mention the tool tip. This is what I am contesting and stating that the tool tip is wrong based on different servers selected.

I already provided primary data that the tool tip DOES NOT change based on server changes.

It doesn’t matter if I complete or not completed the queue, one player can not significantly tilt the average wait time tool tip.

The original debate here is the average wait time tool tip on a given server, not the average wait time one player waits for a game. I know me queuing in Australia or Best match will make me wait for a game on average lets say 1500s+ and then changing to N.A will make me wait on average lets say 150s.

I know there’s more players in N.A but my point to you and Derek is that the average wait time tool tip does not update to reflect the selected server.

Hence my question “Explain the 1500+ seconds with an average of 200 wait time.”.

I have also given you proof of actual wait times on my end:

ARAM
Australia: Estimated wait, 48s. Got the tool tip at 240s that both teams might have AI players. I quit the queue
North America: Estimated wait, 48s, got into a game in 6 seconds!

So tell me why in the Aussie server, the average wait time is 48s and EVERY game I wait over 240s with AI while N.A, average wait time is the same but I get into games around that wait time?

Shouldn’t the tool tip for the Aussie server say something like 300s not 48s? I am just saying the wait time tool tip does not update. But now looking more into the wait time tool tip, it SEEMS that the tool tip updates based on the most populated server.

Why dont you try it for yourself? Change servers, restart the game and tell me your average wait tool tips for QM, ARAM and Ranked.

More primary data testing:

  • Australia: Estimated wait, 63s. Got the tool tip at 240s that both teams might have AI players. Quit the queue at 650s but the wait time tool tip finished at 63s
  • Singapore: Estimated wait, 65s. Got the tool tip at 240s that both teams might have AI players. Quit the queue at 600s but the wait time tool tip finished at 63s
  • North America: Estimated wait, 65s, got into a game in 47 seconds
  • Brazil: Estimated wait, 64s, Got the tool tip at 240s that both teams might have AI players. Quit the queue at 600s but the wait time tool tip finished at 62s
  • North America 2nd time: Estimated wait, 61s, got into a game in 4 seconds!

Got tired of waiting when it reached 600s and 650s with the other servers.

Conclusion and speculation: The tool tip does not change based on server change but looks like the tool tip grabs data from the most populated server… North America.

1 Like
23

It’s almost like people are human or something. :wink:

1 Like
24

Well yeah. Anyone human would be upset when they find out what people say about others behind their back where they can’t defend themselves because they don’t know.

I said I’ve been rude or mean or whatever to people on here, because I have… but they can publicly defend themselves, or mute me if they don’t want to deal with it. I’m fine with that. But when a certain group of people talk bad about others behind their back in an echo chamber where everyone agrees with each other to feel like they’re doing no wrong because “well everyone agrees with me”… its just as toxic as the toxicity they hate so much.

I’ve seen what’s been said and I don’t think you’re innocent or the same on here as you are on there, but I don’t want to go on about that. Its just upsetting to see that same group bashes on any low post accounts, calls others trolls because they don’t like what they said, or defend others within their group to make the other person seem stupid. And then when they’re called out about it, its nothing but denial and “you’re seeing things that aren’t there”.

So yeah, we’re all human. We all make mistakes… but some are just more toxic than they think and they refuse to see it.

1 Like
25

If this happens, then you’re correct that is toxic behavior. To quote Hoku when people post on the forums that they only said abusive words in game chat because someone “attacked them first”, two wrongs dont’ make a right.

2 Likes
26

Its true… they don’t, but I don’t like that saying because it gives off the impression that “I can be toxic, but you can’t because two wrongs don’t make a right” and its a double standard.

Its the double standard, hypocrisy, and lack of respect for others that upsets me. Your sentiment is right, I should be nice to everyone because that’s just the right thing to do but I’m not perfect and neither is anyone else.

1 Like
27

I must be not normal because I never gave two poops what people say about me. When you KNOW who you are as a person, words can barely hurt you. When and if people talk badly of me (I’m nobody important in the world so I don’t know why anyone would) it’s all but fuel to motivation to be better than yesterday.

1 Like
28

The estimated time is a random number. It isn’t calculated from anything. People queued in the same party have different estimated times.

1 Like
29

This is very true, I forgot that little fact. Many times I’ve been in a party and we would share our queue times and we all had different estimates. Good point.

I was being a little reductive. I was really just saying I understand where you’re coming from. I was once involved with one of the oldest online gaming guilds. It turned out to be a terrible experience when I was “promoted” only to discover there was a hidden part of Guild forums where all they did was trash talk other members of the guild.

What was worse was the trash talk culture was framed as “constructive feedback” where all it was was just simple human petty mindedness. It was such an awful experience I swore off ever being involved with any privately run Guilds or Discords, at least these forums the Mods (even if the moderation is spotty) aren’t bias toward any individual poster.

1 Like
30

I agree, however this isn’t the point. The point is that the people who say they’re never toxic or appear as nice people on the forums really aren’t and its upsetting, especially when they go on about how much they aren’t toxic and how much they are disgusted by it.

I don’t care what people say about me either, but that doesn’t mean these people have the right to be two faced hypocrites.

I get that, and I’m sorry if I seemed aggressive towards you or if you felt attacked, because that wasn’t my intention. I just wanted to explain why I didn’t like that quote. That’s all.

That’s usually how these types of things are. Its almost inevitable too when there are “safe spaces” that enable that behavior.

2 Likes
31

The context from my perspective is that people that complain about this stuff are the ones who refuse to believe there is an explanation for their experience so they refuse to read anything that doesn’t agree with them. Hasher’s experience is already apart of my explanation but both of you have phrased your interpretation to mean that I try to claim he cannot have that experience. Because you won’t believe that I already believe him, you use that as a reason to not believe what I posted and then see the comment as arrogant/backhanded/etc

When people refuse to accept pertinent information as applicable to their case, it’s not that I’m "right’ it’s that they are demonstrably ignorant and something, and then blame others for it. If I didn’t point back to my post, would either of you considered giving it a second glance beyond the initial dismissal you gave it? I still can’t confirm if you bothered to read it even after this one.

That sort of conduct isn’t new, so I am going to operate on the basis that people are not going to ‘believe’ what I write, and therefore ignore it from the onset and act like their perspective is that much better once they find a patsy to fault for their assumptions.

I could add more glitter and emotes, but I’ve found it’s the tl;dr of agree/disagree that gets people to project ‘backhanded’ or not, so I’m trying to put less time into the posts that I write that people aren’t going to read through anyway.

Players can see server information with ctrl+alt+F while in-game. While I may log into “Americas” in one series of games, I may match one game in US West, and have my next game end up on US Central. If players on different servers (but logged into the same region) are partied up, it will have to prioritize one of however-many servers for the match it makes for them. So there are different servers, but removing the choice of specific region is kind of the way the devs tried to make a ‘mega server’ while still trying to offer better ping if players get matched into the server that is closer to their geographical location.

But while I’m in my queue, I won’t know which server I might be getting matched on until the match forms.

Yea, I shouldn’t need to post additional replies when the previous one already accounts for the information. It is a written format, people can do more than just read the latest reply; or ask questions if they don’t actually understand something to seek clarification on previous information. You have the assumption that when I log into the game, that I won’t get different queue times on the different regions.
However, I can log into those regions and see averages that are not only different on those regions, but more importantly, different that what other people may see at provided I actually get into a matched game on a different server. Having the capacity to have that average vary indicates the average is not from all the regions collectively, which includes ‘primary date’ that is not your own.

Things I am reposting:

  1. wait time updates by getting a game to match, so logging into a server, waiting, not getting a game and then re-logging does not contribute that wait time to the displayed average
  2. many players are superstitious (though they have reasons for it, since queue limbo exists) and will reset their queue. The time they waited before does not contribute to the displayed average for game waiting time and they tend to reinforce the projected average.
  3. Ideal groups. Individuals may need to wait so much time to get the even number of players to get a match, but select groups can get matches quickly by having the 10 players available for a game. If 11 players queue, 10 are going to have a low wait time, while the other person is going to wait awhile. The 10 that got a game aren’t the ones going online to complain about wait time.

There’s additional information, but “average” is not useful information by itself, and it would be better if other information was available. So while people can impose a variety of hearsay for their personal experience, they don’t actually know how many games were matched to control that average (so how many games it would take to actually see a change) and they generally don’t ask the wait times of other players in the games they have. Your primary data didn’t provide responses from players in getting that match, so while I can certainly agree with you, or any time, that posts about their wait time, it does not have the scale of impact people are willing to generally consider. That is why they prefer to complain about it and post their reasons to try to assume their experience is what other people experience instead of considering that some people do actually not have the same experience as other players.

32

I did read it. But I also read what hasher wrote and after him someone else, and they contradict what you stated. So its not easy for anyone to decide who’s right. If I have an experience that completely contradicts what someone else is saying, I’m going to find it hard to believe, but its because its what I see. And I think most people will believe what they see, instead of believe hearsay from someone else. If you can’t handle that, idk what to tell you. Ever heard of the phrase actions speak louder than words?

If this is true then Blizzard is more stupid than I thought. Why would you have multiple servers when you know your game is dying? If people can be on different servers while remain in the same reason, I don’t see why they can’t just merge all the servers and create a megaserver within that region. This doesn’t make any sense.

33

You wrote a whole essay that did not answer my question about the average wait time TOOLTIP staying the same throughout all server selections. I have given you primary data evidence that the tool tip does not change when the server is changed and the game is restarted.

Not I am not talking about regions, I am talking about server change in settings.

I also prompted you to: “Why dont you try it for yourself? Change servers, restart the game and tell me your average wait tool tips for QM, ARAM and Ranked.”

Have you tried it yet?

I am not talking about regions though? I am talking about server change in settings.

You have given me elements on how average wait time may occur in the game but that’s not my concern. I know the average wait time differs from each region and server selected without seeing the tooltip.

  1. My open question to you, why doesn’t the tool-tip update when the server has changed?

  2. My closed ended question to you, does your tool-tip change when you select a different server? I only want a yes or no answer to this. If it’s a yes, then I would like to see evidence, as I can video my change of server and give you evidence on my end.

Here is my wait time tool tip in the 3 regions (Americas, EU and Asia)
Average wait time tool tip data from my game:
Americas: ARAM: 18s
EU: ARAM: 12s
ASIA: ARAM: 15s

I logged back into Americas to make sure that it’s not hovering around 12s-15s, but it showed higher at 20s.

Conclusion: Regions looks like it has different tooltip wait times.