Heres what happens every single game in QM as varian.
enemy team
1 tank
1 bruiser
3 other
my team
1 bruiser
3 other
me
The best chance to win is to play a tank, but that is only 1/3rd of his entire kit but it might as well be 100% of his entire kit because if you play the other two options at level 4 you have a significantly higher chance of losing because the enemy team has a tank and you don’t.
Having two tanks on a team is a much better prospect than having zero tanks. The way he currently is its like you can’t even play the majority of what he’s designed to do because of bad QM design.
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Varian is a tank if he goes taunt. Oh you’re saying you wanted to play twin blade but the QM made you your team’s tank.
The main problem is they used to queue Varian as a bruiser in QM, so you would often end up with one team having a Taunt Varian, and the other team having a bruiser with little or no CC trying to protect their team. The only real way to ensure you can play Varian as you wish in QM is to group up with someone who wants to play tanks.
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Oh that’s not so bad, because some Bruisers can be quite Tanky. What usually happens to me when I play Varian:
Enemy Team
2 Tanks
3 other
My Team
4 other
Me
The funny thing is that sometimes TB would actually be better than Taunt depending on the comps, but good luck getting random teammates to agree with that. I have gotten very good at Taunt Varian because of this…
I think the solution is to have the matchmaker use a special rule. Varian’s Team must have at least one other Tank/Bruiser, against 2 Tank/Bruiser. It would give a little flexibility to his build without Taunt being as abusable.
from my understanding it already tries to give both players a tank if possible. So the scenario you are talking about could happen, but only if no tanks were available as opposed to how its set up right now where therse about a 90% chance this happens because games with 2 tanks are much rarer than games with 1 or no tanks.
If you are qued as a bruiser and varian is qued, it should try to give you both a tank.
The problem with how it currently is, is the matchmaking thinks its balanced because its going under the assumption that you are a tank, therefore it forces you to play a tank.
This change might make que time as a varian longer because hes not longer considered something that is in higher demand, but it would atleast make it so you could choose what you wanted to play.
I have always said an interesting change would be to let the Varian player pre-pick their level 4 talent, and that is how they will be matched. I know it is possible to lock out talents, for example, Ragnaros cannot pick Lava Wave in ARAM, so this is one way to make life a little more fair for Varians, as well as the other people in the match.
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well QM isn’t going to give you what you want lol it’s random so if a team get’s varian even if he’s set on bruiser they won’t give you a tank with him as well and give the enemy team a tank + bruiser. you get what i’m saying? “random” so it would be completely unfair if 1 team get varian and the other team get a “bruiser” while varian can be a tank goes taunt = no longer a bruiser and enemy team have no tank so that’s not gonna work
QM isnt random though. it tries to give tank, healer, damage on each team. If it tries and the que takes too long it expands its search and just tries to make equivalent teams, and if it can’t do that it expands it even more and just makes a game. Theres a reason games almost never have multiple healers or 5 tanks or what have you.
QM is inherently unfair because some heroes are stronger than others.
Anecdotally, most games have one tank or no tank. Probably more having one tank than no tank.
Its also not like varian goes from being a bruiser to a pure tank either, he gets health and one hard CC on a 20 second CD. It might be a slight advtantage if they are given a bruiser like thrall instead of one like imperius, dehaka, deathwing or some other tanky ones.
You either have him que as a bruiser, and in the minority of games you get a scenario in QM where one side has a sort of tank in varian, and the other doesn’t because they have a bruiser that is more like an assassin(e.g. thrall).
Or you have him que as a tank, and in the majority of games you gimp yourself and your team(which they love by the way) in order to play 2/3rds of his character.
Potentially(1/3rd, maybe more if they are being tryhard in QM)Varian tank on one team and bruiser on the other team isn’t nearly as bad of an experience as being forced to play varian tank because if you don’t your teammates will flame you.
I wouldn’t mind the standard team comp becoming 2 tanks, 1 bruiser, 1 ranged assassin, 1 healer as long as one tank is on the bruiser side if that’s a thing. Blaze, varian, diablo (maybe).
For QM he should be treated like Illidan. Because 99% of the QM clowns that play Varian go Twin Blade build no matter what the enemy team comp or yours is. I had people taking TB while the enemy had a Cho’Gall and they could have wrecked them with Smash build. The kids in QM just find it flashy to wield two swords and have a fast attack speed. But honestly, TB Varian is a worse Illidan. Someone who is good on Illidan is far better than a gimped TB Varian.
But someone who is bad at illidan is more likely to be less of a deadweight if he played lolblades.
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happens literally every game i play varian in QM. Atleast do 50/50 que as atank or bruiser. Hes basically unplayable unless you get super lucky and have 2 tanks.
Yep, I’d much prefer a lolblades Varian over a bad Illidan, there is a significant skill gap between the two.