Stitches: Developer Comment: Our previous buff to Slam did well for Stitches, but we don’t believe it was enough to give him the distinction of being a uniquely powerful wave clearing Warrior. We’re buffing it a bit further so that he is more able to fill this role.
DVA: Developer Comment: At long last, our favorite Pro Gamer is back and ready to pwn teh n00bs! With D.Va’s rework we’ve given her tons of new tools and redistributed her power to help her fill more of a traditional bruiser role while still retaining a lot of her “supporty” essence. This new talent tree should allow her to flex to fill gaps in your team comp or to be her old aggro self. Her old Heroic option, Big Shot, is now baseline and has been replaced with Micro Missiles, giving her Mech some reach and soft CC that she didn’t have before.
So, you say stitches role is to kill minions as tank fast and safe, reality is, best and fastest wave clear with movement is DVA.
If you pick level 4 Q and level 7 Q for faster Cooldown on Q, you simply clear waves of minions on speed.
I easily go number 1 in minions dmg as DVA, far on top of azmodan and co.
if i want to play a tank with good wave clear and teamfight, i pick muradim.
Level 4 Q + fireshild, and you melt though the map level 13+ and you are still a pain in the as* in every teamfight.
As DVA, wave, one Q, plus 3 AA, unlimited number of enemy down, lane switch, rince and repeat, faster as a xul or azmodan kills minions.
Now play Stitces, the “lane wave clear tank”, you need ages to kill a wave, most waves you get down in the cooldown of two W.
Totally inefficent in concept.
There’s this magic thing called “context” that goes with the dev comment. In this case, it goes back to a previous dev note on a different patch:
For a long time we have held to the belief that one important aspect of what makes Johanna special is her ability to provide more wave clear for her team compared to other Warriors. While this is true, it has gotten to the point that it has begun to limit what kinds of effective team compositions can be made, as any team that wants to run heroes that don’t have a lot of wave clear really need Johanna to be competitive. To help open up more possible team compositions and to give Stitches a needed buff, we’re experimenting with giving him comparable wave clear, which also has the side effect that he should be able to land more Hooks due to the enemy Minions dying faster.
If you’re waiting till lvl 13 to have waveclear on your tank pick, then that’s generally too late compared to other hero picks – such as arthas, johanna or blaze.
Since the mod on stitches is to baseline slam, he wouldn’t need additional talents, so, like johanna, part of the appeal would be for having a freedom of pick for waveclear that’s available from lvl 1, esp since, unlike muradin, stitches can stay in the wave and heal from the minions whereas muradin has to leave the area for his trait to proc.
Mura can work great for clearing mercs (with q stacks and talents) and solo those faster than a number of other tanks, but as far as waveclear goes, stitches and johanna are definitely better options. However, all that is still fairly relative in context as the point is the role at hand, and not just every hero. So your imposed “he should be the top spot” is a poor assumption on your end and essentially putting words in someone else’s mouth, so to speak.
Johanna isn’t my playstyl, i pick mura because he is more fun for me.
But this is the point, stitches never cross my mind for waveclear as frontline tank.
He is in a complettly different corner gameplay wise.
He prepares teamfight, get crazy amounts of substain, and can gorge and carry lategame comebacks.
But for minions, no chance i would pick stich, even muradim does the job better and faster.
And if me want to play frontline with fast waveclear, after 50.1 oatch, DVA. Her Q gigant killer talent on level 4 is everythink you want, strong TF, strong waveclear.
To much power in one talent, and her substain, CC she offers since revamp, isn’t bruiser level, it is full tank level.
Looks like the devs are fare more enthusiastic about D.va than Stitches.
He already got plenty of minor buffs since years without being able to compete against most of the others tanks.
I think they know this kind of buff will not help him a lot but it is better than nothing till they find a way or the time to help him more.
Again, D.Va is not a tank, bruisers are in general good at wave clear as they are generally the solo laners, like look at Leoric, Xul, or Yrel for examples. Also what? D.Va barely has any CC. Baseline she has literally no cc, she can talent into super short stun and some slows, which is not exactly impressive.
Stitches:
+Stun on hook, but only during the movement of the hook.
+Slow on W und AA
+Gorge disable
+anti dmg with E
DVA:
+Q has micro interrupt stun on level 7 plus knockback, which is extremly usefull
+Ulti gives stun or Slow
+W gives anti dmg
+bomb is big area deny to seperate teamfights
Stitches and DVA have the exact same numbers of tanking, and both share the same ablitiy of substain to stand in the frontline.
No, DVA is tank, not bruiser, if you take stitches as a tank.