All of those heroes you listened have one thing in common: They’re sustained/poke heroes, not burst. This means the amount of value they can get out of their executioner is limited. Having executioner on a HIGH burst mage means she can fit in ALL of her damage into that short slow window.
Additionally, you have overlooked the fact that their executioners are at level 16 whereas Orphea’s is available at level 1. How is that even REMOTELY comparable?
Raynors Executioner is at lvl 1, Xul´s at lvl 13. You are also ignoring basic attack vs ability.
Orphea is a poke mage. The only burst ability she has is her W, which is a zero-range AoE on a mage; so you better be sure to get the kill and get out if you use it. She is essentially Gul´dan with a narrower primary poke (Q) but the ability to finish off with W.
Orphea now has 71.4% popularity with 55.8% winrate across the board. In Master Rank Hero League she has a 52.1% popularity with 60.3% winrate.
She is still climbing…but no the goth loli is perfectly balanced. Protecc.
Again, you’re not giving the two heroes a fair comparison. You’re just looking at face value without taking the time to understand the implications at play here.
Raynor is SUSTAINED DAMAGE, meaning the amount of value he can get during his 2 second is limited ontop of the fact that knocking enemies away means you won’t always be able to follow up on the executioner unless you’re shooting them into a wall.
Also:
Raynor Executioner: 15% Damage
Orphea Executioner: 25% Damage
still comparable?
Orphea is a BURST DAMAGE mage. Meaning all of her damage (Q,W,E,R,Trait) can be fitted into the 2 second window of Fright’s slow.
Let’s do a damage comparison here:
RAYNOR
Attack Speed: 1.25 (1.63 with Inspire)
Attack Damage at level 1: 105
Executioner Value: 15%
Raynor can fit in a total of two autos within the 2 second duration of Executioner (3 Autos potentially with Inspires auto attack reset). Lets assume he can get 3 in with PERFECT usage of inspire and knockback assuming you can even get to the knockbacked target. With 15% extra damage, his autos will hit for 120.75 (121)
121 x 2 + 272 (Give em some pepper 3rd auto) = 512 total damage.
(NOTE: Penetrating Shot is not factored into the final damage since it cannot benefit from Executioner given that it is what applies it in the first place.
ORPHEA:
Q damage at level 1: 172
W damage at level 1: 296
E damage at level 1: 182 (Travel damage not included since it is what applies executioner)
Trait damage at level 1: 295
Q damage with executioner: 215
W damage with executioner: 370
E damage with executioner (travel excluded): 227
Trait damage with executioner: 368
Total: 1,180
She was always broken, im not sure why she got buffs. They should have let people figure her out first.
She got buffs on her Q build, but still no one play that because it requires much more effort in comparison to her Ancestral Strenght’s one.
The Q build indirectly buffed her op build. As i said, i don’t understand why she got buffs. Probably for the money grab
56%+ winrate, 70%+ popularity.
Ancestral Strength and Fright are must-picks on their tears, nearing 80% pickrate.
Nothing needed to be said anymore.
As is Orphea, neither her Q nor E nor any of her heroics is burst. The only burst is a zero-range AoE; a zero-range AoE on a mage. On top of that Raynors attacks can literally never miss (except for blind), in difference to Orphea´s skillshots who go on long cooldowns.
You are the one who constantly ignores the fair comparison made by me.
That is objectively false. It has no thing to do with my opinion of her. Her most powerful combo, Crushing Jaws → Dread → Chomp can be done in less than two seconds and can annihilate most squishies while chunking most tanks for 40-50% of their health.
It’s not the individual abilities that mark a burst mage, it’s how they are used together.
Using your logic I could say the same thing about Jaina:
“Neither her Q nor W nor any of her heroics is burst. The only burst is a zero-range AoE; a zero range AoE on a mage.”
You’re absolutely correct. I am ignoring the comparison. But its NOT “fair”.
Need more proof Orphea is a burst mage? There are countless COUNTLESS clips on youtube of her annihilating entire teams in seconds.