I’ve seen time and time again on orphea players who play clumbsy, like they’ve not fully mastered her yet so many of them rely on the self heal and still engage and basically outheals some of the damage dealt on her, many times even the entire damage dealt to her.
She’s a Mage, does she have to have a self heal that high let alone self heal at all being a Mage role?
She can spam her abilities, spit out alot of damage and she gets healed out of it too, what’s the healers role if she can just do the healing part herself?
I’ve only tried her in Brawls personally so i don’t know if there’s a crux to it. Maybe someone could lay it out or make sense out of it.
I’d take self healing over a 4sec shield, interruptable life drain or anything alike that any day playing as a mage… Just seems to me to be too rewarding and forgiving especially when a player is positioning infront of the tanks.
Guldan gets much more self heals, much easier and Ive never seen anyone who would consider it an issue, myself included.
If Orphea is an issue (quite possible) I dont think its because of healing.
Her self sustain on entirely dependent on landing abilities, and then landing autoattacks. So it’s not quite as easy as you would think.
She is still really squishy, especially if she misses an ability. Missing shadow waltz could easily get you killed. Additionally she is very short ranged compared to most mages.
I can’t name one other hero that is so devastated in teamfights if she misses one single ability (Shadow Waltz). Give her all the help she can get in form of self sustain imo.
They are gonna nerf her anyway because her winrate is high. Ever since her buffs, heroes profile showed her having 53% - 56% winrate. They are definitely gonna hit her, idk if she deserves it though
Li-Ming also says that she has to get a kill for it to activate.
You miss and healer heal you up, you don’t miss and you heal yourself up. Wont change the outcome much if she misses in many cases.
It might be too much or it might be perfect but i’d say that 100% dmg heal should be 50%. Let her have a shield generator instead of healing even, like every other mage.
how about we just make all the mages have the same Q, W, E and ultimate choices also?
But, to be serious: they can always balance the amount of healing she gets? If she is doing to well, you can make her self-healing weaker. Or even fully rework how she heals herself.
But, it is a pretty core part of her design, and I’m not sure why you want to just rip it out while making her “more similar” to other mages.
I’m all down for changing how it works, or even making her more unique, or the same amount of unique in a different manner.
But I see no reason to take time to make characters more similar when there are plenty of other things to try first.
I’m not talking about losing out on healing when you miss. I’m talking about losing out on mobility. You miss and you are in range of all their burst abilities and one piddly heal won’t save you from that.
Point I’m making is that she can spam skills without taking any damage. Just like you say with Orphea. Orphea is at risk of dying and has something to compensate for that.
They both equal out to about the same. They deal damage and have a healthy life bar.
I never mentioned anything to make her like other Mages in a literal sense, if she gets a shield generator or reduced healing it doesn’t make her start getting taller and turn into Jaina. I would never ask for something that’s unreasonable. I simply think she gets rewarded, compensated, forgiven too much or whatever u wanna call it.
Yes i know, but what you say doesn’t necessarily happen in a general sense against all setups. Many times she gets forgiven even if she does miss and gets close. Besides she could already “count consequences” and think “even if i miss i can do alot of damage and survive”