Useless?
Some situations I want to get away but the 0.5 seconds is not enough as the enemy just knows where you’re going to walk to.
Or in what situation would u use it in?
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Nova herself is pretty useless as it is fam.
She has her moments but everything she does Hanzo can also do, but safer and he actually has a form of waveclear.
I’m just not a fan of her kit because it encourages people who don’t understand the game to mess around being the stealthy sniper while the rest of the team is struggling to fight 4v5.
Now that that’s out of the way, it’s a baseline escape talent. Unrevealable is even more invisible than old stealth was, so you’re as good as gone in that half a second, the decoy moves the exact same way you were moving before cast to cause extra confusion. It’s good to use it when you hit a bush or the moment you break line of sight, or even in the middle of teamfights just to add more bodies to the fray, the damage decoys do with the level 16 talent isn’t much of a joke if you took a talent for them at 4, either. Plus taking rewind at 20 can really flood the field with clones.
Mainly though you can just use it to block skillshots while running away.
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it’s extremely good against heroes with point and click abilities. The best use for it is when you just about to be hit by a diablo when he is in mid charge.
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You ever just decide to piss of a Butcher by pressing 1 as nova?
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The .5 seconds really isn’t enough, poison effects last longer and reveal you, and at best you can escape one skill shot, if there is another player, or they have a second ability, you probably are not going to get away. As an escape is is terrible, but it is at least an escape, even if it has a 690 second cd.
Btw, what Nova does better than Hanzo is take camps. Only time to pick Nova in ranked is if you are one of the last picks, there is no hard counter like Tracer, and the map has good camps to capture. I personally like taking Nova on Volskaya because she can take turret camps with a quick burst to the repair droid, and one bribe stack on the turret itself. Taking the opposing teams turrets goes a long way towards victory.
Plenty of benefits if used wisely:
- Create decoy to catch skill shots
- Create decoys for additional damage (esp. with Lethal Decoy)
- Cancel certain channels (pyroblast wind-up, butcher charge, things like that)
- Instant stealth to become invulnerable to point and click abilities for its duration
- Instant stealth to immediately benefit from Ionic Force Field (lv 13) faster
But I agree the unrevealable window is small.
Maybe Apollo Suit (lv 20) could have added benefit to extend this window +0.5s to 1.0s total.
I suppose you tried it as Butcher main D:
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“Press this button to become unrevealable, cancel most point and click ults while they channel and become unable to be auto attacked”.
But nah, let’s call it useless because it doesn’t do more.
When an enemy is casting on you, or you believe they plan to cast on you. Pretty much any ability which is a “point and click” ability.
Okay lol.
Hanzo has a globally targeted wave clear? News to me.
If you’re playing her “correctly” (imo) you’re not a “stealth sniper” you’re basically a mage, who can globally waveclear after level 10.
Now, that isn’t the “fantasy” I think Nova should fulfill. But it is where she is in her current build.
Good explanation! [see quoted post in full for explanation].
lol no.
While I would not mind it being longer, it is meant to avoid the skill shots/point-n-click abilities, not DoT.
It is meant to avoid being bursted or allow you to escape being chained stunned/hit.
It is not meant of counter DoT, as that is not what causes loads of trouble for Nova typically. In my experience (and presumably in the minds/experience of HotS balance/dev team).
Never mind the earlier post, just look at Syrnis’s post! 
And I agree it could use a tad more duration (although not needed).
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Certainly true, only seldom I have wished for longer unrevealable, but in most games you either live or die and revealable status won’t exactly save me from those moments.
Best places to use for the unrevealable status is if you get pulled in by Stitches or Diablo, and you want to have more time to escape their clutches.
But in all honesty, you shouldn’t have to find yourself in situations where you are outnumbered due to CC abilities, as you aren’t supposed to be on the forefront against such enemies.
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Adding more commentary:
If you do end up in such a scenario, it seems “logical” (or perhaps reasonable?) that you should not get a free “get out of jail” card.
As you should use Ghost Protocol to avoid getting into such a scenario. Not to get out of such a scenario.
And hey, if you outskill the enemy team, that .5 seconds will generally be enough. Or rather, an extra .25-.5 seconds would not change the outcome if you’ve do “outskill” the other team.
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More time is indeed not needed.
Indeed it would only give you a stronger “Out of jail” card, and even if this is nice for the Nova player, I admit it would add to the ‘unfun’ part people complain about in general. It would make Nova very slippery without a doubt.
I still stand by that Nova should mainly get some tweaks to Decoy AI and small buffs to underused talents, rather than the stealth mechanic.
Especially because Nova doesn’t rely on stealth as heavily as some other heroes (Valeera) do.
You use the nuke as a global wave clear?
Bruh.
/facepalm
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You don’t? Not even sometimes?
[i probably use it for wave clear 50-75% of games. Regarding precision strike]
Do you also save lava wave to use when a team fight is happening?
My point was that you were advertising it as if the nuke’s primary function was for a ‘global waveclear’. It’s not.
I take Ragnaros lava wave to create oppression on the macro scale. Could lava wave be used for a team fight happening in lane? Sure, but that’s not the primary function of that talent.
Nova doesn’t have global wave clear. Using an ult to clear a wave doesn’t mean that you get to add that to her resume.
Also, most Novas nuke waves that condense at her core to alleviate pressure there and prevent a loss. The primary use of it is the zoning potential and the potential to globally erase someone you’re not in LOS with.
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But, it is?
Just because you do not use Nova’s ult as such does not mean it can be used as such.
Right, but I find I dna cleans 1-2 waves every 65-70 seconds.
As opposed to 2-3 waves on 105-110 seconds with rag…
If you’re winning they do worse, but on an even game the waves cleared per time is… about equal, imo.
Well, if they used it pro-actively maybe that would not be forced to use if defensively?
So because I found it useful for:
-zoning
-damage
-wave clear
It is not as good as:
-zoning
-damage
So because I find more uses for it, I use it worse? I suspect I am mis-understanding you, apologies for that.
But hey, I’m just a noob level 45 nova play.
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I do, and it is highly effective actually.
People who say otherwise, or shame Nova’s for using Precision strike on wave clear, are not experienced Nova players.
It can be used as a zoning tool, or AoE damage in team fights, but not every minute there is a fight - let alone every 30 seconds at level 20.
Perfectly accaptable to call PS Nova’s wave clear.
It has no ‘primary’ use actually, and if you had to describe one, you could say ‘Global disruption’.
Bruh.
/facepalm
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It isn’t.
You’re comparing Hanzo’s ability to clear waves with basic abilities against Nova having to nuke a single wave with an ult.
Yeah dude, I think I’ve heard enough lol.
Lol, not even close to the same value when the wave clears everything in that lane and if you take the lvl 20 talent, you have 2 waves.
“Oh, enemy team thinks they can do this objective instead of letting us have it for free. How about I just clean out 2 lanes so that they are forced to either take the objective or lose the game”
Yeah, not even on the same planet as far as usefulness.
lol, if you used your ult to clear waves, you’re going to be put on the defensive at some point in the game. It’s hilarious that you think that ‘proactively’ clearing a wave with an ult will somehow tip the scales in your favor when your team now has to go into a team fight with a nova who ulted on a minion wave lol.
Zoning is potential damage but mostly to disrupt an enemy’s ability to strategize, just on a global scale. Think of KTs flamestrike and living bomb. Flamestrike and living bomb both do damage but they zone the enemy team and prevent them from being able to collapse on a single person.
I’m not saying there’s only one strict use for the nuke. What I am saying is that you can’t call her a ‘single target mage with global wave clear’. She’s a simple single target mage with the potential for wave clear but that’s an egregious misuse of that ult unless desperate times call for desperate measures.
In short, Hanzo does everything better than her and has a giant reveal that’s spammable every few seconds. Yeah, I’d go with Hanzo over Nova any day.
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Yeah, I’d say people who claim it to be a global wave clear are not experienced nova players.
Bruh.
/facepalm
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35 seconds (including casting, delay, overlapping Cooldown) versus 85 seconds (see previous)…
Again, for 1/2-2/3rds of the value.
That seems to work out, as better. In terms of clear per Cooldown.
Call it 45s for Nova, a little over half the Cooldown for half the minimum value. Given the flexibility that seems pretty good…
**generally speaking, including before level 20, Nova’s Precision Strike tends to be on par if you are losing, and worse if you are wining at wave clear. But I you are winning it obviously gets used less as waveclear as you do not need to use it as much.
Butyou’re winning more. So not clearing with above is not as bad.
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