Yeah, people just jumping to map hacks for random bush checks is a pretty low bar. I mean it depends on the context, but that just seems like intuitive behavior especially if you don’t see enemies on the map.
Like checking bushes with a hamstring is pretty common. Checking with a gravity lapse, maybe not so much, because that’s your escape if you’re wrong. Nor would you really want to start with a gravity lapse if you’re paired with a butcher because they would spend that time just to get in melee range anyways.
I mean it’s way more suspicious if you’re getting checked away from bushes in fog of war like you said. I did fight against a Tyrande who kept owling me away from camps in the jungle on our side of the map. It was beyond frustrating, but we still won because she didn’t know how to AA in team fights to heal their allies.
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I shudder to want to defend Shard, but that wasn’t Shard’s point. They’re talking about how map awareness allows you to be cautious without needing map hacks. It could be the case that someone could be using hacks, but it’s not exactly a smoking gun just because someone is “cautious”. You can’t really be definitive one way or another just on that.
Beyond that, going to such an extreme and bizarre conclusion that map awareness does nothing makes no sense. Just because map hacks give the person a huge advantage, doesn’t mean that your sense of map awareness is suddenly useless.
ShardFenix just wanted to troll me. I’m good enough to be able to differentiate cautiousness and “uncanny cautiousness” (as I called it, to make my point clearer). Sure, not everyone, and some folks might “crywolf”, but they replied to me, and maphacks do exist.
Ppl check bushes, and are scared of bushes as skill. But that’s not the point.
If someone only checks the “right” bushes, or they dodge ambush skillshots, that’s the true indicator.
I personally didn’t want to jump on the @op’s throat that they just faced good players for hte first time, when maphacks do exist, and will be more and more popular, since the game is more and more abandoned and unsupervised.
I consider myself decent, and I just couldn’t really tell you with any confidence even if I had my suspicions. You’d really have to check replays to see the consistency of their behavior, something I don’t have the patience for.
There’s nothing to really jump on the op’s throat. Their post didn’t indicate whether they were the victim of a maphack. Just more of a sad statement of how not being supported might mean these hacks proliferate more.
It’s more so the subsequent posts of someone checked bushes so it must be a maphack, that I kind of roll my eyes at.
I do not think map hackers are dumb enough to make it genuinely blatant and obvious and would do tricks to hide it.
In my case of the accusation of a butcher map hacking, I would expected more of them to literally press Q on the middle bush above the dragon knight, but instead moves and immediately casts “attack” near it, the person in mind had no vision on me for quite a while, and yet, he knew my exact location, that’s not even bush checking, they are out right face tanking the bush, either way it was completely sus to me.
They certainly can right click in the fog of war, or they can attack nearby to hide it more, I’m lentiant to say that I am good, and certainly some people can use the map better than I do for a lot of reasons, but I honestly refuse to believe this other than it could be a sheer of luck.
I’ve checked replays that was completely off and could be suspicious and then there’s the cases of game bugs doing its work to a point one of my friends learned from this during a replay check that lasers from Sky Temple reveal the area around, something very little people know about this too.
Personally, most of these people are outright bad even with maphacks, they won’t go far much, but also its quite annoying to notice something that would and should give the assumption of many points and yet they clearly just “knew” you were there specifically.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA4lrsDiia0
Good players can do that, in fact I do it all the time.
I mentioned targeted skills through FoW, which is impossible no matter how good you are.
Unless the map hacker is blind then they will still have the ubber hand on your whole team no matter how good your own awareness is. You can only watch out for yourself and have to spend time messaging your team while you face a team full of map hackers that can position himself and know your exact location whole game out and pick on you when they want.
Oh Volen is now going to take his camp so we can now easy go to his location and gank him while his team is busy laning for themself and you wont see them coming before its too late.
Either you lucky or you use map hack yourself. Throwing out 100% hits in fog of war
is nothing you just do without huge luck or with the use of map hack.
Also the kill on Guldan you missed. He died from Probius and you had 100% vision on him already. Killing Zera near a healing well is mostly casue you properly knew most injurid heroes will go back to healing well and hs back at that spot or was just lucky.
Also you using W at the exact moment and location where Zera comes out from stealth and you hitting him just rises alot of sus about your plays.
Edit: You should really stop complaining about that Valla you complained was doing nothing in one of your YT videos. She went back to defend a 50% core that as under attack from catapults and you complain about she did not capture Dragon Knight.
And even if she did then you would just complain about why no one went back and defended core when you lose to minion waves full of merc camps and catapults.
But you were more busy showing off you can 2vs5 the enemy team just to boost your stats and then blame Valla for not doing anything.
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Maphacks are there but do not change a thing when leagues are broken and do not mean anything anymore.
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This Chromie used Temporal Loop through FOW to kill an Abathur who was hidden, so it wasn’t just a lucky shot. I remember there were a series of videos with that particular player, and I believe they were eventually suspended or banned.
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Yes they are available and unlikely to be banned for.
It applies to HOTS and SC2. Both more or less have the same exploit that can enable it, apparently.